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| Jun 28, 2017 at 15:40 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @Harry Well, a Rakshasa marriage can be considered an act of bravery when done by a king; he announces his attentions, openly fights those who would oppose him, etc. Whereas a Pishacha marriage is an act of deception. | |
| Jun 28, 2017 at 15:38 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @William That is why I said "Whenever two people consummate a relationship, regardless of the circumstances, it is usually classified as a marriage of one sort or another. It's even considered a marriage if the woman doesn't consent, like if she's drugged or unconscious. The only question is whether it is a good marriage or a bad marriage, a marriage sanctioned by Hinduism or one that's strictly forbidden." | |
| Jun 28, 2017 at 15:35 | comment | added | Harry | @KeshavSrinivasan The Rakshasa rite appears to be most base and sinful, especially because killing of kinsmen is involved. Why is Pisakas the most base and sinful instead? | |
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| Nov 24, 2016 at 15:21 | comment | added | William | So reading the 8th one I have a question. Is there 8th one really a marriage because it states it is also a sin. | |
| Jun 9, 2016 at 3:35 | comment | added | Jedi | @KeshavSrinivasan / @iammilind: What is the justification for this ordering? When is it considered appropriate to choose a lower-ranked rite over an upper-ranked one? Why is it holiest to give away a daughter along with a dowry? | |
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| Aug 17, 2015 at 20:32 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @Yogi In any case, even though Kshatriyas are allowed to do Rakshasa marriages, it's still better if they do marriages that are higher on the list, ideally the Brahma marriage. | |
| Aug 16, 2015 at 20:52 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @Yogi Krishna and Rukmini are sometimes considered to have had a Rakshasa marriage, and that's certainly what Rukmini's family thought it was, but technically it wasn't, because Rukmini was a willing participant in her own "kidnapping": hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/333/36 But as far as I can tell, Krishna actually kidnapped Lakshmana: hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/7861/36 Also, Bhishma kidnapped Amba, Ambika, and Ambalika. In any case, perhaps you should post a question on whether Hindu scripture discusses why it's morally justified for a Kshatriya to do Rakashasa marriage. | |
| Aug 16, 2015 at 18:13 | comment | added | Yogi | Why is Rakshasa marrige or RAPE is allowed for kshatriyas?!!! This is no longer human rite, how can one justify forcible marrige?!! What will be krishna rukmini marrige considered as?. | |
| Jul 30, 2015 at 14:13 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @Utkarsh Well, if you have a daughter, what Hinduism advises you to do is find a groom who is learned in the Vedas. You're right, lots of grooms nowadays haven't studied the Vedas, but for better or worse priests no longer check whether the groom has studied the Vedas or not; they just perform a Brahma marriage regardless, as long as the groom is wearing the sacred thread, because the sacred thread signifies eligibility to study the Vedas. Unfortunately, a lot of grooms do the sacred thread ceremony the day before the wedding, so they don't devote any time to Vedic study. | |
| Jul 30, 2015 at 11:04 | comment | added | Utkarsh | Isn't Brahma marriage is obsolete nowadays ? Since, many grooms are NOT learned in Veda's ? | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 2:57 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @iammilind I think Brahma marriage is best for all Dvijas. One should not choose what type of marriage to have based on what is convenient or economical. We should try to engage in the holiest marriage possible. It is better to sacrifice the material for the sake of the spiritual. | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 2:51 | comment | added | iammilind | My whole point is, since in first 2 rites girl's father is the giver it should happen by choice; not the force by groom's family or society, else it creates today's nuisance like dowry. Not that first 2 rites are best for all, it depends on human type. Dowry as such may not be as notorious as projected, but it garners bad name when people who actually should have gone for other 6 rites, insist for first 2 rites. e.g. Live-In relation supporters better choose rite-6, as it is more suitable. Middle class better choose 4 and so on. | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 2:20 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @iammilind Now if a bridegroom were to insist on a Brahma marriage simply for monetary reasons, as opposed to believing in the religious value of Brahma marriages, the problem with that wouldn't be that the father is paying money to the bridegroom. Rather, the problem with that is that you shouldn't have monetary gain as your goal in life, you should value higher things, like dharma. | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 2:16 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @iammilind Thanks for the kind words! "But It spawns so many issues in today's society. When the 1st 2 rights are forced to be practiced by girl's father, it becomes dowry!" Well, I think thats the wrong attitude to take. We shouldnt judge Hindu scripture by whether it conforms with the modern sensibilities. Instead, we should use Hindu scripture as a guide to how to live our life, and we should use that as the standard to evaluate the correctness of modern sensibilities. In any case, I dont see anything wrong with a bridegroom saying he wont agree to a marriage unless it's a Brahma marriage | |
| Jul 12, 2015 at 1:09 | comment | added | iammilind | Nice post. But It spawns so many issues in today's society. When the 1st 2 rights are forced to be practiced by girl's father, it becomes dowry! 3 & 5 are like reverse of it. There is no mention that only 1 caste is allowed Gandharva rite. No.8 seems to be depicted in many movies so far. | |
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| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:59 | comment | added | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | @MKaama Well, he does say it's allowed for them, but he also says that Manu "hath spoken of the appropriateness of all these forms according to their order", so Brahma marriage or Deva marriage would still be preferable to Gandharva marriage. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 9:59 | comment | added | MKaama | In Mahābhārata Ādi Parva 67, King Duhšānta also mentions eight kinds of marriages, when he wants to union with Šakuntala in the absence of her guardian sage Kanva. He concludes that they are both kšatriyas and a Gandharva rite is appropriate for them. | |
| Jul 8, 2014 at 20:20 | history | answered | Keshav Srinivasan♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |