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I'm really confused.

According to this Lord Krishna episode, Lord Krishna Naming, the Sage knows that Lord Krishna lives in Go Lok with Radha. And it seems his adoptive father, Nanda knows of this.

I always thought people knew of Lord Krishna AFTER he was born, lived on Earth, and then departed.

Of course, people knew of Lord Vishnu who is re-incarnated as Lord Krishna.

Please clarify.

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    Lord Krishna is eternal God, ie he exists eternally, and as such he is described in eternal vedic knowledge. Even before he was born there were knowledge available about him in vedic scriptures. Scriptural knowledge is likewise eternal. – brahma jijnasa Aug 15 '16 at 14:34
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    so you believe that TV writers are scriptural pundits??? – Swami Vishwananda Aug 16 '16 at 10:31
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    Yeah, it is not good idea to learn Hindu dharma from TV shows. Hindu dharma or let's say Vedic knowledge should be learned from the books such as the Bhagavad gita, etc, and also from the books written by learned acaryas (teachers) from the particular Hindu traditions (sampradayas). You'll not learn much of Hindu dharma from the TV shows. – brahma jijnasa Sep 6 '16 at 23:59
  • Interesting question! According to some Vaishnav Puranas Krishna is the Supreme deity and Vishnu is His expansion so there may be a case that some Brahma-gyanis like Garga muni may be aware of that. – Dr. Vineet Aggarwal Sep 19 '18 at 7:52
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Yes, Krishna was known, many ancient devotees have meditated on Krishna.

We get story of Ambarisha who used to meditate on Krishna's lotus feet.

This is also an ancient incident, Ambarisha was great-gradson of Vaivasvata Manu and Aṅgirā Ṛṣi and of Rathītara were known by the names of his descendants. the incident is very ancient one. 9th Canto describes the lineages of various kings in chronological order. Krishna is described at end of 9th Canto.

SB 9.4.18-20: He was sure to fix his mind upon the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, to use his words to describe the qualities of [the Lord of] Vaikunṭha, to use his hands for matters as cleaning the Lord's temple and to engage his ears in listening to the transcendental talks about the Infallible One. He used his eyes to look at the deities, the temples and buildings of Mukunda, he used his body to be in touch with the bodies of the devotees, he used his nose to smell the fragrance of the tulsī leaves on the lotus flower formed by His feet and used his tongue to relish the food that is offered to Him. By using his legs to walk to the Lord's holy places, by using his head to bow down to the feet of Hṛṣīkeśa and by engaging his senses more in being a servant of Him than a servant of his lusty desires, he was alike the ones who seek their refuge in being attached to the Lord Glorified in the Scriptures [like Prahlāda e.g.].

Also, in the episode of Ajamila which Shukadeva describes as an ancient incident. itihāsaṁ purātanam(SB 6.1.20):

SB 6.3.29:(Yama to Yamadutas in Ajamila episode) They who run from the truth and fail in their duties unto Lord Viṣṇu, they whose tongues never express the names and qualities of the Supreme Lord, who do not carry Him in their heart or remember His lotus feet and not even once bowed their heads to Kṛṣṇa, bring them all before me.

SB 6.3.33: He who holds on to the honey of Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet, will not again desire to enjoy the illusory quality of nature [māyā] that brings distress. Anyone else however, who enchanted by lust tries to do something to cleanse the passion out of his soul, will surely find the passion reappear.

Here is the story of Indra-Vrttasura episode where Vishwarupa says to Indra about some prayers..

Since, war between Vrittasura and Indra happened in Treta yuga at the beginning of manvantara, it is long before Krishna descended. SB 6.10.16: What followed was a great and most ferocious battle between the Sura, the divine hordes and the Asura, the demoniac hordes, that took place at the bank of the [celestial] Narmadâ river at the onset of the first millennium [the Vaivasvata-manvantara]'s Tretâ-yuga.

The event took in Treta yuga of 1st cycle of 4 yugas and we are currently in 28th cycle of 4 yugas in which Krishna descended.

SB 6.8.20: May Keśava protect me with His club during the hours after sunrise, may Govinda holding His flute protect me early in the morning, may Nārāyaṇa, the Lord of all potencies, protect me late in the morning and may Lord Viṣṇu, the ruler with the disc in His hand, protect me during the hours at noon.

The celebrated Prahlada also meditated on Krishna as is evident from Bhagavatam and Vishnu Purana:

nyasta-krīḍanako bālo jaḍavat tan-manastayā kṛṣṇa-graha-gṛhītātmā na veda jagad īdṛśam

SB 7.4.37: As a small boy he, in his full absorption in the attraction of Krishna, refrained from playing and seemed to be absentminded, having no understanding for worldly matters.

This chapter of Vishnu Purana also says:

1.17.38-39:

Hiraṇyakaśipu, highly exasperated, commanded the serpents to fall upon his disobedient and insane son, and bite him to death with their envenomed fangs: and thereupon the great snakes Kuhaka, Takṣaka, and Andhaka, charged with fatal poison, bit the prince in every part of his body; but he, with thoughts immovably fixed on Kṛṣṇa, felt no pain from their wounds, being immersed in rapturous recollections of that divinity.

1.17.42-44:

The young prince was then assailed by the elephants of the skies, as vast as mountain peaks; cast down upon the earth, and trampled on, and gored by their tusks: but he continued to call to mind Govinda, and the tusks of the elephants were blunted against his breast. “Behold,” he said to his father, “the tusks of the elephants, as hard as adamant, are blunted; but this is not by any strength of mine: calling upon Janārddana is my defence against such fearful affliction.”

1.18.36-40:

But Prahlāda, beholding them perish, hastily appealed to Kṛṣṇa, the eternal, for succour, and said, “Oh Janārddana! who art every where, the creator and substance of the world, preserve these Brahmans from this magical and insupportable fire. As thou art Viṣṇu, present in all creatures, and the protector of the world, so let these priests be restored to life. If, whilst devoted to the omnipresent Viṣṇu, I think no sinful resentment against my foes, let these priests be restored to life. If those who have come to slay me, those by whom poison was given me, the fire that would have burned, the elephants that would have crushed, and snakes that would have stung me, have been regarded by me as friends; if I have been unshaken in soul, and am without fault in thy sight; then, I implore thee, let these, the priests of the Asuras, be now restored to life.”

Also, 87th chapter recounts an ancient conversation that took place between Narayana Rsi and Narada. This chapter has prayers of personified Vedas.

tasmai hy avocad bhagavān ṛṣīṇāṁ śṛṇvatām idam yo brahma-vādaḥ pūrveṣāṁ jana-loka-nivāsinām

10.87.8: As the seers were listening the Supreme Lord related the following ancient discussion about the Absolute Truth that took place between the inhabitants of Janaloka [the world of the celibate saints].

At the end of the meeting, Narada received some instructions from Narayana Rsi and then he after due contemplation, offered a prayer that is the nectar he extracted from what he just heard from Narayana Rsi.

10.87.45: Śrī Śuka said: 'The self-possessed ṛṣi, thus receiving the command of the sage, accepted it faithfully, oh King. Now completely being of success he, whose vow was as firm as a kṣatriya's, after due consideraton said the following.

śrī-nārada uvāca namas tasmai bhagavate kṛṣṇāyāmala-kīrtaye yo dhatte sarva-bhūtānām abhavāyośatīḥ kalāḥ

10.87.46: Śrī Nārada said: 'My obeisances to Him, the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa of a spotless renown, who manifests His attractive expansions for the liberation of all living beings

Here, the description is an ancient one and Narada just offered a prayer after hearing fron Narayana Rsi. The meeting b/w Narada and Narayana Rsi happened in the 3rd part of Dwapara yuga. But, whether it happened before Krishna's descent or not is not clear.

  • Krishna was shown? What do you mean? – Wikash_ Apr 2 at 6:31
  • @Wikash_hindu Krishna was known not shown. – Krishna Varna Apr 2 at 6:46
  • How do you know these events took place before Krishna's birth? – Wikash_ Apr 2 at 9:00
  • @Wikash_hindu well if you see the context. For eg.. in 9th Canto, he is describing the many lineages starting with Vaivasta Manu.. He stops at Ambarisa and elaborates. Thus, he was described very earlier in the canto.. At the end of canto, the lineage when it comes to krishna, he elaborates that as well and then 10th canto is about that. – Krishna Varna Apr 2 at 9:11
  • @Wikash_hindu some are just described as an ancient incidents.. – Krishna Varna Apr 2 at 9:13
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There is little scope of confusion here as in the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is repeatedly mentioned that an 'Purna-Incarnation' of Para-Brahman Vishnu was born as Krishna.

The 10th Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam discusses the birth and other divine plays of Lord Krishna.

The Lord appeared to Vasudeva and Devaki in the four-armed Vishnu form.(10/3/9-10).It is also mentioned that

mulam hi vishnur devanAm yatra dharmah sanatanah/tasya cha brahmagoviprAtapo yajnAh sadakshinah//(10/4/39), meaning that Lord Vishnu is the origin of all the gods. Wherever there is the Sanatana Dharma, there is Vishnu. The Vedas, the brahmins, the holy cows, the panances, the fruitful sacrifices--all these ate associated with Sri Vishnu.

When Sri Krishna with Arjuna visits the Para-Brahman Vishnu, they both see Him in eight-armed form (SB, 10.89.54-56), Who says that both Arjuna and Krishna were born with 'KalA's of Para-Brahman Vishnu.

According to the Vishnu-SahasranAma, one name of Vishnu is Krishna. While naming the child, Gargamuni mentions that the Lord appears in each age in different colours and now as He has been born with a blackish complexion, His name would be 'Krishna'(Srimad-Bhagavatam, 10/8/15).

The name 'Krishna' has different meanings in our scriptures. One of them, mentioned by Paramahansa Swami Nigamananda is

krishir bhuvAchako shabdo Nascha nivrittivAchakah/tayoraikyam parambrahma krishna eti abhidhiyate//

So the Lord seems to be known as and in the form of Sri Vishnu. May be He appeared as Krishna in the earlier kalpas, but then many pralayas took place and so the people at the time of Bhagavatam did not know the 'Krishna' form before He was born.

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