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EXPLANATION :

  • People live with many desires and karmas of good and bad come according to the kind of desire
  • A man who perform's his duties without any desire and submits the results to god will not acquire any karma.

  • If a man always desires to live without desire then he desires to be desireless .

  • As he desires for desireless he wants the state of desireless for his own(Under maya as a conditioned soul)

QUESTION :

  • If we desire for desirelessness isn't it a desire ?
  • Does karmas takes place in these kinds of actions ?
  • to desire to live without desires - to desire liberation - is not considered a desire. – Swami Vishwananda Feb 19 '17 at 13:50
  • If desire to be desire less is a desire then that will contradict the scriptural saying -"Desire less living gives moksha"..So its not a desire.. – Rickross Feb 20 '17 at 5:37
  • @Rickross is giving scriptures based on buddhism(lord buddha's teaching) allowed ? – Sakthi Feb 20 '17 at 10:38
  • Sakthi..No not allowed.. – Rickross Feb 20 '17 at 11:04
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If we desire for desirelessness isn't it a desire ?

Yes, it is indeed a desire, Which is necessary.

Does karmas takes place in these kinds of actions ?

Gita explains this in form of " निष्काम कर्म " or " Selfless deeds "

Lord Krishna said in Gita that One can not live with Karma, even if you are sitting ideal there is karma going on.

Karma should be done in state of keeping the mind in tranquility which means selfless deeds.

This is common misunderstanding but important to understand that Krisha does not mean we should not have desire or ambition while doing निष्काम कर्म

Example: In office or in business we always want more for more prosperity in our life which is good, but keep in mind that instead or promotion or success in business, you may be kicked out of company or business may fall down.

So now what should be the state of mind, we are not the controller of what happens outside our body, but inside we can control and if we do not give the remote control of our emotions or desires to outside people and situation would be better, it sounds easy but trust me its very difficult.

At last we always see paradoxical points in spirituality, that is why it is said spirituality is a journey from known to unknown.

There has to be a powerful desire (तीव्र इच्छा) to get Mukti or Moksha.

So in short as Buddha said find the point in middle, means there has to be balance in life.

  • thank you for answering but MOKSHA or MUKTI cannot not be desired to achieve in this link the comment has it. If we desire moksha then it is definitely to avoid rebirth(from pain) isn't it and isn't it selfish activity ?EXAMPLE : I want moksha so desireless is path so i desire to be desireless, see this this can put moksha as an object to achieve – Sakthi Feb 20 '17 at 11:19
  • friend this desire can put moksha as an object like i desire to be a sports man so i control my desires(eating,drinking alcohol) so to achieve my dream. so can you clear my question – Sakthi Feb 20 '17 at 11:25
  • @Sakthi I agree with everything you said but we just need to understand that every enlightened person had the desire to attain Moksha. Example Lord Buddha left his home, Meherishi Dayananda Saraswati, Kabeer there have been number of great people on this land. So in order to attain a state where you literally have to desire, that sate can only be attained by a great Desire and ambition that you have to do this, otherwise we both will keep commenting and life will be over. – Rishi Feb 20 '17 at 11:51
  • friend lord buddha left his home in search of truth behind birth and death and he was not convinced with our scriptures and mainly not for MOKSHA, dayananda saraswati i dont know about him and until a persons moksha although he has knowledge that he is part of paramadhma but he is still under maya and he feels as a individual so it will become desire for individual isn't it, If a person A desires for moksha for him its felt by A as individual desire(under maya) but If a person B desires for moksha for all living beings it is felt as no individual desire(under maya) so this is the confusion – Sakthi Feb 20 '17 at 12:34
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When someone opts or "wishes" to get free from desire then it is not "natural". But when desires themselves drop from your mind then that is real "desirelessness". By consiously "witnessing" or "observing" these desires one slowly starts understanding the pattern and they start to diminish.

Buddha is saying: To be in desire is to be miserable. He is not saying desire about what: desire as such creates misery – because in desire you start moving from the present, you start thinking of the future. You start thinking of dreams – you are going to do this, and this is going to happen; and if this happens you will be happy, and if that happens you will be very very miserable. The moment you start dreaming and desiring you have missed contact with life; you disconnected. You are no more living in those moments of desire. Those moments of desiring are death moments. Life has stopped flowing. You are frozen.

Whenever you are in desire you are not alive. Life and desire can’t exist together. They are two gestalts, you can have only one at one time. If you move into desire, life disappears; if you are living, desire disappears.

Have you not seen in some psychology books a certain picture of an old woman? And in the same picture, in those same lines, is hidden a beautiful young woman – both are there. But if you look at the old woman, then you cannot see the young woman. If you look at the young woman, then suddenly the old woman disappears. They are BOTH there in the same lines, but you can see only one at a time. Your gestalt changes. When you are looking at the young face, then those lines are making a new pattern. Because of this pattern, the other pattern cannot be seen. When you start seeing the old woman, the young woman recedes back; because of the old woman’s pattern, you cannot see the new woman’s pattern. You cannot see both together. Because you cannot see both together, whenever you are with one the other becomes non-existential to you. And you know both are there; still you cannot see.

Exactly the same is the case with desire and life. If you desire, life is no more there; you stop living. The same energy becomes desire, so no more energy is available to live. When you start living, desire disappears because the same energy has become life; you cannot desire any more.

But what happened? People listened to Buddha and they thought, ”He must be right. He says. ’With desire there is misery,’ So now we will desire desirelessness. How to attain desirelessness.?” Now they are ready to go on another journey of desire. Just the OBJECT of desire has changed. first they were thinking how to have more money, how to have more power, how to go to New Delhi, Washington, London, Moscow; now, their goal has changed – how to attain NIRVANA, MOKSHA, God, desirelessness.

But the object is there, and with the object the desire ii there. They have committed something very absurd. They missed the point. Buddha is not saying to create a new desire. Buddha is simply saying: Understand desire. Look into desire and you will find misery. Once this understanding has penetrated deep into your being, that desire is misery, then the problem has disappeared. Then you don’t desire at all. And, when you don’t desire, there is desirelessness.

Desirelessness cannot be desired; MOKSHA cannot be desired; God cannot be desired. If you desire, God has become an object of lust. You are again in the same trap – with a new label, but the disease is the same. Maybe the skin is new, but the wine is old.

-Osho , Zen: The path of paradox Vol 3

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    please dont refer buddhism and give answer from hindu scriptures and also dont give your personal opinion – Sakthi Feb 19 '17 at 14:19
  • @Sakthi Buddha was avatar of Vishnu. – Chinmay Sarupria Feb 19 '17 at 16:31
  • @ChinmaySarupria But do his teachings support hinduism? – Sarvabhouma Feb 21 '17 at 5:19
  • @SreeCharan No. Buddha's teachings are not Pramana for Hinduism, even though Buddha was Narayana. Sastra Pramana is important in Hinduism. – The Destroyer Feb 24 '17 at 1:48

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