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  • In our scriptures it is said that destiny is given only according to Karma and is Not Predetermined
  • As in mahabharatha Arjuna Lost his Archery skills and is said that arjuna's power's were Given by Lord Krishna.
  • After his purpose is fulfilled the Powers were Taken by Lord Krishna as it is Lord krishna's will.
  • Weakness or Trouble comes to a soul only by its Bad Karma
    EXAMPLE :
  • The Women of Dwarka were cursed by a Muni so they were caught by theives

It is in consequence, then, of the curse of the Muni Asht́ávakra that these females, who were at first the wives of Keśava, have now fallen into the hands of the barbarians; and there is no occasion, Arjuna, for you to regret it in the least. All this destruction has been effected by the lord of all.

  • Veda Vyasa said it was due to the Womens curse in previous birth and didn't tell it was due to Arjuna's Bad Karma that caused him to loss his power .
  • A soul's Karma is experienced fully himself(WOMEN) and Not by others(ARJUNA)

MY QUESTION :

  • How can Arjuna became Powerless due to Other souls Bad Karma ?

  • Was his Destiny Predetermined as he experienced Karma's of other soul

  • If it was not Pre - Determined by Lord Krishna's will then why did he Forgot the Astras ?

  • Arjuna is not experiencing karma of others soul, it is surely related to his own Karma (we may not find exact reason in Human versions of Mahabharata, maybe Deva versions mentions it)... we have freewill doesn't mean that we can change everything... many things are predestined due to our Prarabdha Karmas ... for instance Vyasa already in Sabha Parva tells that the destruction of Kshatriyas (in Mahabharata) was destined.... – Tejaswee Mar 12 '17 at 6:29
  • @Tezz friend Lord Krishna's will means what meaning does it makes Predetermined or Not ? – Sakthi Mar 12 '17 at 6:55
  • Much of these curses don't really make a lot of sense. Like Gandhari's curse on Krishna, Parashurama's curse on Karna, Shravankumara's parents cursing Dasharatha etc. I think these curses are invented to satisfy the weak human mind. Explain random acts using the logic of karma. But unfortunately karma theory cannot explain everything. Then people jump on to the next concept called 'leela' or God's will and "things the human mind cannot understand" etc. – sv. Mar 24 '17 at 17:08
  • @sv - all those curses make sense. there is pramaan in smritis for all. if you want people to believe you, you cannot say they're invented without giving some other bigger pramaan. – ram Mar 24 '17 at 17:23
  • @Sakthi, It is very easy to understand what predetermined means, by adding just 2 words. "Your future is predetermined. BY YOU". If you throw a ball up in the air, it is 'pre-determined' to come down. But you caused it. Same way, whatever actions you commit, will have consequences, they might happen immediately, or after long time, or in your next births. Just like Rishis can see the consequences of your actions with their jnana-dristi, similarly scientists can see when and where the ball you threw up will fall down. – ram Mar 24 '17 at 17:27
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Your actions and Arjuna's are determined by your own karma and not any others. All of our destinies, including Arjuna's, are predetermined. Sri Krishna says in the Gita XVIII.60-61 (Swami Nikhilananda translator):

  1. Bound by your own karma, O son of Kunti, which is born of your very nature, what through delusion you seek not to do, you shall do even against your will.

  2. The Lord dwells in the hearts of all beings, O Arjuna, and by His maya causes them to revolve as though mounted on a machine.

So yes, everything is predetermined by your own past karma, and yes, everything at a karmic level is predetermined. There is only one thing that is not predetermined. Your body will act out it's karma according to the will of the Lord, but what you do with your mind is up to you. If your mind dwells on the Lord and not upon the karmic actions which you are experiencing then you have surrendered yourself to the Lord. Be unattached to the actions that the body goes through. By being attached to the Lord and unattached to your body's actions you can achieve Liberation - which is the one thing not determined by karma. Again Lord Krishna says in Gita XVIII.62:

Take refuge in Him alone with all your soul, O Bharata. By His grace will you gain Supreme Peace and the Everlasting Abode.

So we see in these three verses that you cannot escape your karma, that everything is predetermined by the Lord, and that the way to 'escape' is by taking refuge in the Lord with all your soul.

  • friend thanks for answering but i asked what was the karma behind it that arjuna forgot his astra and also even in my question i linked about destiny not predeetermined but what was the reason for asking was in the scripture itself it is told that it was Lord Krishna's will that took away his powers and Didn't mention about karma. So you missed the core problem of my question – Sakthi Mar 26 '17 at 12:36
  • @Sakthi Look at the three questions you asked at the end of your question. My answer addresses all three questions. – Swami Vishwananda Mar 26 '17 at 12:52
  • the problem of my question is why he forgot his astras and the reasons that(predetermined) are provided are not to be ok so i provided them and asked and even in my bounty i asked why he forgot the astras . So i will edit my question – Sakthi Mar 27 '17 at 13:19
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Bhagavan is common cause, not specific. e.g. earth. Plants cannot grow without earth. But whatever seed of the plant, only that specific plant will grow.

Similarly, Bhagavan provides entire infrastructure - body, mind, food, water earth, sun, universe etc. but whatever seed you plant (good or bad karma), you will get those fruits (good or bad results). And only you will get those fruits, no one else. But there is one specialty/difference - you can surrender to lord asking him to stop the results of the actions. He can stop any sanchita karma (that which has not yet resulted in fruits), but won't stop prarabdha karma (that which has already started yielding fruits).

This is given in Brahma sutras (bhagavan has no vaishamyam or nairgrunyam)

So to answer your question - it was arjuna's own karma only.

But sometimes, Lord has great mercy on some souls that is without reason (actually with reason but more like an excuse for a reason e.g. Ajamila charitram). Other times, Lord and his Bhaktas have freedom to play with each other - Lord can affect your destiny, or you can affect Lord's destiny. That relationship cannot be judged by us. Only the two of them know the secrets to that.

There is also a concept called avesha avatara - where Lord enters a Jivatma's body or gives him some of his powers, and achieves great things through him. e.g. Parashurama, KartiviryaArjuna. But that is also only because those Jivatma's are fit for such avataras through devotion/dharma/tapas.

  • I believe , all karmas for the present life is prarabdha karma. Sanchita karma is total storehouse of karma. Some part of sanchita karma gets converted to prarabdha karma before incarnation. – tekkk Mar 24 '17 at 23:15
  • If someone prays the god sincerely he can even mask or change the prarabdha karma. There is nothing impossible for god. – tekkk Mar 24 '17 at 23:16
  • @ram i agree with you friend but what was the bad karma that caused arjuna to forget everything. In mahabharata we all know that karna's bad karma or curse was the cause for karna to forgot his astras, so there must be a reason for arjuna to forgot – Sakthi Mar 25 '17 at 4:56
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  1. How can Arjuna became Powerless due to Other souls Bad Karma ?

The karma of Krishna's wives had to be worked out, and Arjuna doesn't have the power to change the law of Karma. So, he wasn't really influenced by their karma, but rather could do nothing to change it.

"As a man himself sows, so he himself reaps; no man inherits the good or evil act of another man. The fruit is of the same quality as the action." — Mahabharata, xii.291.22

  1. Was his Destiny Predetermined as he experienced Karma's of other soul?

He did not experience karma of other souls. He might have his own karma that put him into the situation, though Vyasa doesn't tell him so. Maybe he didn't have any past karma, but still had to face the situation.

In the sense you use the word "pre-determined" - i.e. determined irrespective of individual's actions - No, his destiny was not predetermined.

"If one's action bore no fruit, then everything would be of no avail, if the world worked from fate alone, it would be neutralized." — Mahabharata, xiii.6.19

  1. If it was not Pre - Determined by Lord Krishna's will then why did he Forgot the Astras ?

Here is the main point of confusion. Lord Krishna is a special case, and everything is pre-determined by His will. So just because the destiny was pre-determined by Krishna, doesn't mean it was "pre-determined" in the general sense. So, destiny cannot be predetermined in general, but it is always predetermined by Krishna.

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