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Even after the death, only shrAdha ceremony will help the soul to reach heaven. The soul will mostly reincarnate in same blood line so can we conclude the relationship between father and son is eternal. Can we say relationship with son is only going to help even after death and that is the way to attain immortality, so it is eternal ?

  • which father? The father for this lifetime, or for the thousands before??? which father??? there is no scriptural reference for being born in the same blood line. – Swami Vishwananda Jul 2 '17 at 5:12
  • @SwamiVishwananda I heard most of our progeny will be our ancestors..they will be waiting in pitru Loga...the relationship between father and son exists even after death as he is continuously doing shradam – Servent_of_Rama Jul 2 '17 at 8:11
  • so you do not ascribe to rebirth, to reincarnation??? for a person who is to be reborn, the time spent in heaven is determined by karma alone. – Swami Vishwananda Jul 3 '17 at 11:04
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In a way yes. Their relation is eternal because son is said to be the own self of the father, his atma.

angad angat sambhavasi

 hrdayad abhijayase

atma vai putra-namasi

 sañjiva saradah satam

“You have taken birth from my various limbs and have arisen from my very heart. You are my own self in the form of my son. May you live through a hundred autumns.” This verse appears in the Satapatha Brahmana (14.9.8.4), Kaushitaki brahmana and the Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad (6.4.8).

SB 10.78.36

sri-bhagavan uvaca

atma vai putra utpanna

 iti vedanusasanam

tasmad asya bhaved vakta

 ayur-indriya-sattva-van

The Supreme Lord said: The Vedas instruct us that one’s own self takes birth again as one’s son. Thus let Romaharsana’s son become the speaker of the Puranas, and let him be endowed with long life, strong senses and stamina.

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Thus, there are some injunctions in the shastras which show that the self itself takes birth as a son. Hence the relation is of soul and not of flesh alone.

  • Is love and bonding between son and father is very important rite...some acharyas teaches we need to leave the attachment with family...actually we need to increase the attachment with son... – Servent_of_Rama Jul 1 '17 at 16:53
  • @Servent_of_Rama its not about attachments but some part of father will be there in son. So both must understand this and perform their respective duties. – Rakesh Joshi Jul 1 '17 at 16:54
  • that is applicable to daughter also rite – Servent_of_Rama Jul 2 '17 at 8:12
  • Yes @Servent_of_Rama – Rakesh Joshi Jul 2 '17 at 10:23
  • You need to produce better sources than these XYZ blogs @RakeshJoshi – Rickross Mar 22 at 13:50
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The Manu Smriti also says the same. That the father himself gets born again as his own son. So, in that way the father-son relationship is eternal.

Manu Smriti 9.8. The husband, after conception by his wife, becomes an embryo and is born again of her; for that is the wifehood of a wife (gaya), that he is born (gayate) again by her.

And, similarly the husband-wife relationship can also be considered as an eternal one.

Manu Smriti 4.184. Infants, aged, poor and sick men must be considered as rulers of the middle sphere, the eldest brother as equal to one’s father, one’s wife and one’s son as one’s own body,

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No, the relation does not seem to be eternal.

Because, first the sanatana dharma accepts no relation of body and soul. Soul is eternal as per the Gita.

2.20 Never is this One born, and never does It die; nor is it that having come to exist, It will again cease to be. This One is birthless, eternal, undecaying, ancient; It is not killed when the body is killed.

By Moksha soul is liberated. Moksha is the fourth purusartha. If we accept the relation of father and son to be eternal, none could attain moksha, as moksha ends the cycle of birth and death.

The sloka that says that AtmA is born as ward means the JivAtma, whose part is the sthula sarira, because the sperm is a part of the physical body. AtmA means a person or body also according to sanskritdictionary.com.

Each of us appear with our own bundle of prArabdha. Sri Krishna says in Gita

6.41 Attaining the worlds of the righteous, and residing there for eternal years, the man fallen from Yoga is born in the house of the pious and the properous.

6.42 Or he is born in the family of wise yogis [Persons possessing knowledge of Brahman. (S. concedes that some rare householders also can have this knowledge, and he cites the instances of Vasistha, Agastya, Janaka and Asvapati of olden days, and Vacaspati and the author of Khanada of recent times.)] only. Such a birth as is of this kind is surely more difficult to get in the world.

So a yogavrastha is born in a yogi's or a rich man's house.This clearly means that the relation is not eternal.

SankarAcharya also says:

kA te kAnta kas te putrah, ie you have no eternal relation with your wife and son.

All these induce me to conclude that the relation is NOT eternal and the inner meanings of the lines quoted by others is different from their outer meanings.

  • I dont subscribe to sankara or any vedanta – Rakesh Joshi Mar 22 at 13:12

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