We are not the body nor the mind, but at the same time we have to be the body and mind since we are the ALL, give me your explanation?

Maya/the illusion is when someone is bound and emprisoned by the material world and believes it to be the absolute reality separating himself from his true Self. However paradoxally, if you say that you are not the mind nor the body, but the spirit/soul then you are again separating yourself from the all as you make yourself distinct from the Material world. Would it not be more correct to say that we are the ALL which would including being our own mind and body - feelings,thoughts,emotions,memories etc...?

What is the meaning of detaching from the body and mind, this would just gain the same effect as thinking you are the mind and body hence you separate yourself from one aspect of God once again, ever thought of that one?

  • Good question. You are indeed even world as well, to realize this world as your own self is called as Shiv Vyapti. But to realize world as your own self you will have to first achieve Ä€tma Vyapti which is to realize you are separate from the world. You are currently object ( enjoyer), to become subject ( witness) you will need to practice meditation to reject notion of duality. When subjective state remains constant one knows the truth. Once knower is fully established, there comes a state ( Shiv Vyapti) then your consciousness expands & your very body becomes universe. – Memosophical. Jul 7 '17 at 18:36
  • Rejecting world mentally ( not physically) is actually a meditation technique. I'm not this, not this, not this. This is contemplation on Neti Neti. – Memosophical. Jul 7 '17 at 18:38
  • Oh thank you! So if I get you right: It's NOT that we are NOT the body or the mind and it's NOT that we are only the soul needing to separate from the body/mind, but rather we are "everything" and "nothing" including our body,mind,soul,thoughts,emotions,feelings,and even that which our body does not percieve. We are Maya but also not Maya and we are everything physical/material but at the same time WE are not JUST the physical and material. Did I get it? :P – Prefer anonymous Jul 7 '17 at 18:43
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    Wow, very good! I like your explanation. I think this was the best explanation and made it very very clear. – Prefer anonymous Jul 7 '17 at 19:48
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    But now the questions is...... Just kidding! :D – Prefer anonymous Jul 7 '17 at 19:49

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We are not the body nor the mind, but at the same time we have to be the body and mind since we are the ALL, give me your explanation?

The following is an excerpt from the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi.

1. On identifying Self to be body - (P.59)

D.: The body moves and does all.

M.: Quite so. Now that you identify yourself with the body you feel the trouble. The trouble is in your mind. You think that you are the body or that you are the mind. But there are occasions when you are free from both. For example in deep slumber, you create a body and a world in your dream. That represents your mental activities. In your waking state you think that you are the body and then the idea of forest and the rest arise.

Now, consider the situation. You are an unchanging and continuous being who remains in all these states which are constantly changing and therefore transient. But you are always there. It follows that these fleeting objects are mere phenomena which appear on your being like pictures which move across a screen. The screen does not move when the picture moves. Similarly, you do not move from where you are even when the body leaves the home and mixes in society. Your body, the society, the forest and the ways are all in you; you are not in them. You are the body also but not this body only. If you remain as your pure Self, the body and its movements need not affect you.

The idea of confining oneself to the body eminates out of ignorance of Self. This ignorance was described in Rig Veda as hiding of waters by Vritra. Here, Vritra is ignorance and water is Knowledge of Self, mentioned in an Esorteric sense.

I WILL declare the manly deeds of Indra, the first that he achieved, the Thunder-wielder. He slew the Dragon, then disclosed the waters, and cleft the channels of the mountain torrents.

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