In the Gita sloka 2.12 God declares that

Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.

My question is: Will I cease to exist in any state after death or moksha ?

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    You should clarify in your question what you mean by 'I' Oct 6, 2017 at 9:20
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    Dheeraj is not your identity at all. It's your body's identity. Your body is known as Dheeraj, not your spirit(aatma). Spirits don't have any name, form, species ect. Body is lifeless object, Just an mechanical equipment with whom spirit use to do their work on Mrityu loka. Your body use to change on every birth but your spirit remains same. So your body(Deeraj) will exist until your spirit is using it.
    – Vishvam
    Oct 6, 2017 at 10:35
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    Everything that born in this world, will surely die one day. You body(Dheeraj) has born, that's why he will die one day. But spirit(aatma) neither born nor dies. If your spirit hasn't born then how will you calculate how long your spirit is being living? Because our age starts from our birth. Your body's age started from it's birth, so you can tell how old your body is. But your spirit never took birth so it's age cant be count. In short spirit is age less. Your spirit is older than this whole galaxy coz even galaxy took birth but your spirit never took any birth.
    – Vishvam
    Oct 6, 2017 at 11:01
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    Dheeraj we Perceive our identity and think we are different and individual due to "Aham-Kaara"- "I-ness", as in I am Dheeraj, I ate, I am boy, I am happy et cetera. This I-ness makes us perceive identity. The soul does not have this "I"-ness, but it gets attached to soul. The soul itself is not separated with God(or the supreme reality, more specifically). So after Moksha, this Identity or "I"-ness definitely ends and is vanished, because you realise your real Identity, which is Supreme Brahma. This I-ness united with Maya, acts as a cover which separates us.
    – user9392
    Oct 6, 2017 at 11:21
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    As for death, definitely soul never dies. But I-ness is not removed. We gain the Karma, and united with I-ness again birth is taken on earth(or you may go to Heaven or hell, but ultimately you have to come to earth. This cycle does not end till Moksha). The Karma we did in previous many lives is called Prarabdha, and we take some of it each time we take birth, to take fruits(good or bad) of this Karma. And this Karma is attached to individual identity or "I". So this "I" keeps us in this cycle. And Maya makes us believe we are I only. So when Maya is removed, "I" is removed and so this cycle.
    – user9392
    Oct 6, 2017 at 11:30

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The verse BG 2.12 is related to the Kaala chakra (Eternal Return).
Please refer this post:
When Brahma's day ends and a new day starts does the previous day repeat itself?.
The day/night of Brahma keeps repeating. Whichever events happen during that time, will also repeat infinitely.

We can also say that, "Never was a time, when you did not ask this Qn, I didn't answer and people didn't provide good comments. Never it cease to be."

Will I cease to exist in any state after death or moksha ?  

After death, if desires are still there then we may get rebirth. If all desires are vanished, then the Moksha is attained.

After Moksha, there is no rebirth and hence the self is completely vanished to the point of no return. In other words, the self is merged with the supreme Self in oneness. Once a drop of water is poured in a sea, we cannot re-identify that drop back. It's gone.

In the next cycle, everything will repeat again. But since, all the cycles are perfectly identical, you or me won't remember anything until we reach again to this moment.

Refer this answer, which discusses life after Moksha & the cycles.

  • Thats interesting. So you mean to say that in the next cycle of Bramha's creation Dheeraj will born again even after this Dheeraj attains Moksha?!! Oct 6, 2017 at 12:44
  • @DheerajVerma, yes that's correct. Note that, "Brahma" is not some entity, which will be every existent for all the cycles. All the cycles are repeating in perfect harmony. If you consider "Brahma", as a creator then that creator will also be born with the fresh mind in the beginning of cycle and will create everything fresh. That will eventually also include a soul which will take various body including "Dheeraj" (same for iammilind). Nothing is common between 2 cycles. There is no memory of previous cycle.
    – iammilind
    Oct 6, 2017 at 13:02
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    This is not correct. Irrespective of cycles (Kalpas or Mahakalpas or Yugas), a soul which got Moksha will never take birth again.
    – The Destroyer
    Oct 6, 2017 at 13:26
  • @TheDestroyer, that's what you think. If you consider "soul" as "something" then, certainly it will come back in the next cycle. If you consider "soul" as "nothing", then there is no point of coming or going. Mostly people interpret "soul" as "jiva" (or a Purusha). If 'it' associates with certain body, then again 'it' will associate with the same body in the next cycle. That's undeniable.
    – iammilind
    Oct 6, 2017 at 13:28
  • Brahma's day cycle concept will just demotivate people for doing any efforts for moksha... It also demotivate me a lot when I read this post earlier And now you linked that post here then It's again making my motivation down. Why will I make any efforts for moksha if it is not permanent? Besides there is also little feeling inside me that this concept is fake. May be you just misjudged the concept. There is error in your understanding I guess. This can't be true. There must be some other meaning coming out of the verses that you read about this concept. So try to grab meaning again from verses
    – Vishvam
    Oct 6, 2017 at 14:16

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