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There are many verses in the Srimad Bhagavatam and the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana which are used by Krishna-centric Vaishnava traditions to show that Lord Krishna is the source of all incarnations, including of Lord Vishnu. Some of such verses are:

ete cāṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam indrāri-vyākulaṁ lokaṁ mṛḍayanti yuge yuge (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.28)

English Translation: All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.


narayanas tvam na hi sarva-dehinam atmasy adhisakhila-loka-saksi narayano ’ngam nara-bhu-jalayanat tac capi satyam na tavaiva maya (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.14.14)

English Translation: Are You not the original Narayana, O supreme controller, since You are the Soul of every embodied being and the eternal witness of all created realms? Indeed, Lord Narayana is Your expansion, and He is called Narayana because He is the generating source of the primeval water of the universe. He is real, not a product of Your illusory Maya.

I am not mentioning the verses from the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana as there are too many to quote.

In addition to the these two Puranas, Gaudiya Vaishnavas use the Brahma Samhita, the famous text containing Lord Brahma's prayers to Lord Krishna that was discovered by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in Adi-Keshava Temple, to reiterate their point of Lord Krishna to be the Original Supreme Personality of Godhead.

So are there any scriptures which say Lord Rama is the source of all incarnations? I have heard that Ramanandi Vaishnavas believe Lord Rama to be the source of all incarnations. Do they have any scriptural evidence to support their view?

  • The context of the verse 1.3.28 is different than what you think. – user6990 Nov 12 '17 at 18:49
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    @OnkarKarambe Personally I don't think it points to Lord Krishna to be the original Supreme Personality of Godhead. I quoted it because it is frequently used by Krishna-centric Vaishnavas. – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury Nov 12 '17 at 18:50
  • I can show you other verses of the same Bhagavata that explicitly mention Krishna as amsha of Vishnu. – user6990 Nov 12 '17 at 18:52
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    @OnkarKarambe To me, Lord Vishnu is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead and Sri Krishna is His poorna-avatara. – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury Nov 12 '17 at 18:54
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    Ramacaritamaanasa. – user1195 Nov 13 '17 at 3:47
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Yes, there are scriptures that are used by Ramanandi Vaishnavas to support their claim of Lord Rama being the Original Supreme Personality of Godhead.

raghavasya guno divyo mahavisnuh svarupavana

vasudevo ghanibhutastanutejah sadasivah ।।

matsyasca ramahrdayam yogarupi janardanah

kurmascadharasaktisca varaho bhujayorbalam ।।

narasimho mahakopo vamanah katimekhala

bhargavo jamnghayorjato balaramasca prsthatah

bauddhastu karuna saksat kalkiscittasya harsatah ।।

krsnah srrngararupasca vrndavanavibhusanah ।।

aite camsakalah sarve ramo brahma santanah । (Sudarshana Samhita 1-5)

English Translation: When the infinite divine auspicious qualities of Lord Rama takes form, He becomes MahaVishnu. Shri Rama's auspicious condensed divine splendour is Lord Vasudeva. Matsya avatara appeared from Shri Rama's heart, Kurma avatara is the manifestation of His support-power. Varaha is the manifestation of His arm's strength. Lord Narasimha appears from His anger, Lord Vamana from His waist, Lord Parashurama appears from His thigh, Buddha from His compassion, Kalki appears from His delight and the Vrindavana-Vihari Shri Krishna Himself is His Shringaar Swaroopa. Thus, all these incarnations are are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of Lord Rama and Lord Rama is the origin, the eternal Brahman and the original Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself.


yatha sarvavataranamavatari raghuttamah

tatha strotasam saumya pavini sarayu sarita ।। (Agastya Samhita, Uttara-Khanda)

English Meaning: Shri Rama, the best among the Raghus, is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead, among all the incarnations; in the same way as the divine river Sarayu is the greatest among all rivers.


avatarastu bahavah kala amsavibhutayah । ramodhanurdharah saksat sarveso bhagavan svayam ।। (Shiva Samhita)

English Translation: Various incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Rama who wields the bow is the God of all Gods and the original Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself.


purnopurnavatarasca syamoramoraghuttamah

amsanrsimhakrsnadyah raghavobhagavansvayam ।। (Yajnavalkya Samhita)

English Translation: Lord Rama is the best among the Raghus is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead and also a complete incarnation. Narasimha, Krishna and others the plenary portions of Raghava, the original Supreme Personality of Godhead.


nārāyaṇō'pirāmāṃśaḥ-śaṅkhacakragadādharaḥ॥ (Varaha Samhita)

English Translation: Lord Narayana,the wielder of Shankha,Chakra, Gada and Padma is the first manifestation of Bhagavan Shri Rama.

Source: http://lordrama.co.in

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    Nice answer!... btw what are these Samhitas?.. are they Agamas or they are part of Puranas?.. – Tejaswee Dec 1 '17 at 13:03
  • There are no Veda Samhitas like Sudarshana Samhita, Shiva Samhita etc... however there are Samhitas in Aagamas.. for eg. Pancharatra Aagama contains Samhitas like Ahirbudhnya Samhita etc... – Tejaswee Dec 1 '17 at 15:58
  • @Tezz I guess then its from the Agamas. – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury Dec 1 '17 at 17:10
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    @SuryaKantaBoseChowdhury I checked your reference of the Shiva Samhita but I cannot find this verse. Can you give the chapter/verse number? – Wikash_hindu Jun 9 '18 at 21:23
  • @Wikash_hindu Which version of Shiva Samhita are you using? – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury Feb 6 at 20:25
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Yes. Other scriptures too mention Rama as source of incarnation. What say more, the Supreme Empress of Universe Mother Durga Herself reminded the Supreme Eternal Shri Raama of His prowess and infinite strength.

When Shri Hari along with Lakshmana performed the NavaRatri Vratam to get victory over Ravana and to get back the Supreme Goddess of Universe Mother Sita, then His sister Parameshvari Durga came and blessed Him that His desires would be completed.

On the eight day of Navaratri Vrata, Mother Paraambika came to the Supreme Lord Parameshvara Shri Raama and told Him thus:

Devi Puraana, Book 3, Chapter 30

देव्युवाच ।
राम राम महाबाहो तुष्टाऽस्म्यद्य व्रतेन ते ॥ ४६ ॥
प्रार्थयस्व वरं कामं यत्ते मनसि वर्तते ।
नारायणांशसम्भूतस्त्वं वंशे मानवेऽनघे ॥ ४७ ॥
रावणस्य वधायैव प्रार्थितस्त्वमरैरसि ।
पुरा मत्स्यतनुं कृत्वा हत्वा घोरञ्च राक्षसम् ॥ ४८ ॥
त्वया वै रक्षिता वेदाः सुराणां हितमिच्छता ।
भूत्वा कच्छपरूपस्तु धृतवान्मन्दरं गिरिम् ॥ ४९ ॥
अकूपारं प्रमन्थानं कृत्वा देवानपोषयः ।
कोलरूपं परं कृत्वा दशनाग्रेण मेदिनीम् ॥ ५० ॥
धृतवानसि यद्‌राम हिरण्याक्षं जघान च ।
नारसिंहीं तनुं कृत्वा हिरण्यकशिपुं पुरा ॥ ५१ ॥
प्रह्लादं राम रक्षित्वा हतवानसि राघव ।
वामनं वपुरास्थाय पुरा छलितवान्बलिम् ॥ ५२ ॥
भूत्वेन्द्रस्यानुजः कामं देवकार्यप्रसाधकः ।
जमदग्निसुतस्त्वं मे विष्णोरंशेन सङ्गतः ॥ ५३ ॥
कृत्वान्तं क्षत्रियाणां तु दानं भूमेरदाद्‌द्विजे ।
तथेदानीं तु काकुत्स्थ जातो दशरथात्मज ॥ ५४ ॥
प्रार्थितस्तु सुरैः सर्वै रावणेनातिपीडितैः ।

Devi said-
O Rama! O Rama with great strength! Today I am satisfied with Thy Vrata. Do ask Me the desired wish which existeth in Thy mind. 46.

O Rama! By taking part from Narayana Thou manifestedst Thyself in the sinless clan of Manu. And Thou art prayed by all Immortal Devas for slaying of Raavana. 47.

It was Thou Who in ancient times tooketh body of fish and killing the terrible Rakshasa Hayagriva only by Thee the Vedas were saved for welfare of Suras. 48.

It was Thou Who incarnatedth in form of tortoise and heldeth aloft the Mandara mountain, churnedth the ocean and nourishedth the Devas. 49.

O Rama! Thou tookest Supreme form of Boar and heldest aloft the Earth on the front of Thy teeth, and annihilatedst Hiranyaksha. 50.

Thou assuming the form of a Man-Lion and preserving Prahlaada, O Rama Who art Descent of Raghu! annihilatedst HiranyaKashipu, in ancient times. 51.

It was Thou Who in ancient times becameth the younger brother to Indra and manifesting as a dwarf body deceitfully cheatedth Bali, for well conferring favour to the Devas. 52.

Thou by the combination of My and Vishnu's part, incarnatedst as the Son of Jamadagni, extirpatedst the lines of Ksattriya kings and gavest over this whole earth to Bhagavan Kashyapa Risi. 53.

So Thou art now born as the son of Dasarath in clan of Kakutstha, being prayed by all the Devas as they are much harassed by Ravana. 54.

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    Welcome back ... – Rakesh Joshi Nov 13 '17 at 0:38
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    Means more active participation – Rakesh Joshi Nov 13 '17 at 1:23
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Yes there are verses in scriptures which Declare Lord Rama as source of all Incartions.

Salutations to that Rama who is most superior, the primal Lord of Universe and free from all the vices. Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh who are sustainer of the world are just parts of Lord Rama. (Skanda Purana, Uttara kanda, Ramayana Mahatmya 1.3)

The renowned Rama is capable of totally destroying all the worlds together with its five elements, along with its animate and inanimate things and also to create yet again all the worlds in like manner as before." (Valmiki Ramayana 5.51.39)

Killing of demons with bow and arrows, or building a bridge over the ocean does not constitute the factual Glory of the Supreme Personality Of Godhead, Lord Rama,whose spiritual body is always engaded in various past times. There is no one equal to Lord Rama and therefore he had no need to take help from the monkeys to gain victory over demon Ravana. (Srimad Bhagavatam 9-11-20)

Shri Hanuman says- I worship all times Lord Rama, who is eternal and who is very form sat existence and Amanda bliss. Shri Rama is expert in the rasaleela, His parts are Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh who are sustainers of the world.(Hanuman Samhita)

In Aadi-Ramayana, Lord Hanuman says to Garuda

I do not know any other supreme being, the God of all gods. All the innumerable incarnations have originated from Lord Rama alone.

In Valmiki Ramayana Lord Rama is discribed as powerful as Lord Shiva

अब्रवीच्च तदा रामः सुग्रीवं प्रत्यनन्तरम् | विभीषणं च धर्मात्मा हनूमन्तं च वानरम् || ९३-६-३७ जाम्बवन्तं हरिश्रेष्ठं मैन्दं द्विविदमेव च | एतदस्त्रबलन् दिव्यं मम वा त्र्यम्बकस्य वा || ९३-६-३८

Then, the virtuous Rama spoke also to the Sugreeva, Vibhishana, Hanuman the monkey, Jambavan, Mainda the foremost of monkeys and even Dvivida, who were in close proximity to him as follows "Such wonderful power of this missile exists either with me or with the three-eyed Rudra the Lord of destruction."

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The 33 Vishwedevas are the supreme beings which form the divine forces of the universe. These are the 8 vasus, 11 Rudras, 12 Adityas, Prajapati and Brihaspati.

Sri Rama was born under Punarvasu Nakshatra whose reiging deity is Aditi-Devata. Aditi-Devata is considered the mother of 12 Nakshatra's which formed during creation of a new manvantara from the 12 Adityas. One among this is Vishnu( Vamana) or commonly known as Sravana.

Sri Krishna was born under Rohini nakshtra. The reigning deity of Rohini is Prajapati who is considered to be the creative force behind the universe.

The following is from the Mahabharata which gives what is first, taken from Aswamedha Parva: Anugita Parva: Section XLIV.

"Brahmana said, 'I shall now tell you truly about all that which has a beginning, middle, and end, and which is endued with name and characteristics, together with the means of apprehension. It has been said that the Day was first, Then arose Night. The Months are said to have the lighted fortnights first. The constellations have Sravana for their first; the Seasons have that of dews (viz., Winter) for their first. Earth is the source of all smells; and Water of all tastes. The solar light is the source of all colours: the Wind of all sensations of touch. Likewise, of sound the source is space (or Ether). These are the qualities of elements. I shall, after this, declare that which is the first and the highest of all entities. The sun is the first of all lighted bodies. Fire is said to be the first of all the elements. Savitri is the first of all branches of learning. Prajapati is the first of all the deities. The syllable Om is the first of all the Vedas, and the life-wind Prana is the first of all winds. All that is called Savitri which is prescribed in this world. The Gayatri is the first of all metres; of all (sacrificial) animals the first is the goat. Kine are the first of all quadrupeds. The twiceborn ones are the first of all human beings. The hawk is the first of all birds. Of sacrifices the first is the pouring of clarified butter on the fire. Of all reptiles the first, O foremost of regenerate ones, is the snake. The Krita is the first of all the Yugas; there is no doubt in this. Gold is the first of all precious things. Barley is the first of all plants. Food is the first of all things to be eaten or swallowed. Of all liquid substances to be drunk, water is the foremost. Of all immobile entities without distinction, Plaksha is said to be the first, that ever holy field of Brahman. Of all the Prajapatis I am the first. There is no doubt in this. Of inconceivable soul, the self-existent Vishnu is said to be my superior. 2 Of all the mountains the great Meru is said to be the first-born. Of all the cardinal and subsidiary points of the horizon, the eastern is said to be the foremost and first-born. Ganga of three courses is said to be the firstborn of all rivers. Likewise, of all wells and reservoirs of waters, the ocean is said to be the first-born. Iswara is the supreme Lord of all the deities and Danavas and ghostly beings and Pisachas, and snakes and Makshasas and human beings and Kinnaras and Yakshas. The great Vishnu, who is full of Brahma, than whom there is no higher being in the three worlds, is the first of all the universe. Of all the modes of life, that of the householder is the first. Of this there is no doubt. The Unmanifest is the source of all the worlds as, indeed, that is the end of every thing. Days end with the sun's setting and Nights with the sun's rising. The end of pleasure is always sorrow, and the end of sorrow is always pleasure. All accumulations have exhaustion for their end, and all ascent have falls for their end. All associations have dissociations for their end, and life has death for its end. All action ends in destruction, and all that is born is certain to meet with death. Every mobile and immobile thing in this world is transient. Sacrifice, gift, penances, study, vows, observances,--all these have destruction for their end. Of Knowledge, there is no end. Hence, one that is possessed of a tranquil soul, that has subjugated his senses, that is freed from the sense of meum, that is devoid of egoism, is released from all sins by pure knowledge.'"

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    Can you please add a conclusion ? – user1195 Dec 1 '17 at 14:43
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I want to make two additions:

  1. Raama eva param brahma paramaatmaavidhiyate/Ramaat parataram naasti yatkinchit shulasukshmakaam//Brahma-Vishnu-Shivah sarve indrognirvaruno yamah..Sarve te Raamachandrasya tejasa sampratisthitaah// (Paraashara-Smriti quoted in Omkarnath-Rachanavali, vol 11, page 396)

meaning that Raama is the Para Brahman and Paramatmaa, Who is the source of all including Brahmaa-Vishnu-Shiva.

  1. Vishnu-Naraayanaadini naamani chaamitanyapi/taanimsarvaani devarshe jataani Raamanaamatah// (Padma-Purana quoted in Omkarnath Rachanavali, vol 11, page 399)

meaning that All names like Vishnu and Narayana arise out of Raama naama.

  1. The Rama-sahasranaama in Umaa-Maheswara-samvada of Shiva-Purana includes many names of Vishnu and other deities as names of Raama (Ref: Omkarnath Rachanavali, vol. 14, page 217-227).

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