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While some puranas describe Indra as a devotee of Lord Vishnu or other gods, the Vedas, in contrast depict Lord Indra as the most important gods. This is visible across the length and breadth of the Vedic literature.

However, in the puranas we find stories that Indra was defeated by Lord Krishna and others, Lord Indra was helpless and hence went and prayed to Lord Vishnu etc.

Why is that the importance of Vedic gods, especially Indra, Agni, etc. reduced after the advent of puranic worship?

Indra: About a quarter of the Rig Veda is addressed to Indra. There is hardly any hymn where Indra has not been celebrated. Even in the Soma Mandala, Indra has been called out as the Greatest Somapa (Drinker of Soma). He is the Satakratu (Performer of hundred yajnas), the Maghavan (Bestower of plenty), the Purandr (Destroyer of enemies’ forts). He is the Hero of the Heroes.

Vishnu: Vishnu is a minor God (less mainframe), linked to his 3 strides. Only 6 hymns of the Holy Rg Veda extol Lord Visnu. Vishnu has been variously called Urukrama (wide strides) Urugaya (Wide moving). In Rig Veda Vishnu has been several times associated with Indra. Vishnu accompanied the Great Indra in several battles against Dasas and A-suras, most significant being the annihilation of Vrtr.

Subsequent Vaishnav cult and Puranic literature reversed the roles, identifying Lord Vishnu with the sustainor and relegating Indra to a minor rain-God, who was vanquished by an Avatar - Lord Krshna.

What is then the reason that mainstream Vedic gods were replaced by others?

Who is responsible for this shift from Vedic to puranic worship?

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    The shift from Vedic to Puranic religion is the transfer of power from SaptaSindhu to Madhyadesa. The RigVedic events took place in Pakistan/Western Punjab - the battle between Indra and Krishna (govardhana giri) marks Vedic/Hindu culture moving to Uttar Pradesh and nearby areas.
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    In Rigveda, different different sages are performing yajna to Devas and calling Devas to accept their offering. Indra as a kings of gods and Agni as a mediator b/w gods & sages got more preference.
    – YDS
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    @YDS what will be your opinion if trinity is not mentioned in vedas ? Its actually other way around . some vedic gods are defamed in puranic literature. Commented Nov 28, 2017 at 9:57
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    @RakeshJoshi I m not that much knowledgeable person to give my opinion on Vedas. As per my little knowledge that I gained from Rigveda, I found that different different sages are performing yajna to 33 Koti (type) Devas and calling Devas to accept their offering. Indra as a kings of Devas and Agni as a mediator b/w Devas & sages got more preference. In Reigveda, Shiva is also not included but Rudra, who is included in 33 Koti (type) Devas that means only Adityas, Rudras, Vasus, Aswinis etc. got more preference in Rigveda and not Trinity. (1/2)
    – YDS
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    And if you want to merely consider percentages of hymns, consider the MBH. The core story of Pandavas is already a minor part. And the story of Krishna is even smaller. That does not mean that one is above the other, or that the MBH is not about the Pandavas and the war. Commented Nov 28, 2017 at 19:16

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Is Indra the chief god of the Vedas?

Yes. This is already discussed in Which Vedic verses describe Indra as Brahman?

But, please note that Agni, Surya, Prajapati, Brahma, Shakti, Shiva and Vishnu also can be proved Supreme. This is already discussed in below questions:

How were the Trimurthi born?

Which Vedic verses describe Indra as Brahman?

Do any verses in the Vedas declare Agni to be supreme?

Why is Lord Surya also called Suryanarayana?

Which scriptures or Vedic hymns declare the Sun as the Supreme God (Brahman)?

Do any Vedic verses depict Lord Vishnu to be supreme?

Are the Vedic Gods Prajapati and Brahma the same?

Why Lord Vishnu is refereed as Upendra (Junior to Indra) in Vedas?

Just because of his incarnation as Vamana (as younger brother of Indra). And due to this very reason Lord Vishnu is called as Aditya. Vishnu in Adityas is not the Lord Vishnu from Trinity but his incarnation as a son of Aditi. Even being a Upendra he saved Indra's throne from Bali by measuring the entire Universe in his three steps.

Why is Lord Vishnu referred to as Upendra in the Vedas?

Lord Vishnu is not only Upendra but also Mahendra. Valmiki Ramayana ६-११७-१७:

इन्द्रकर्मा महेन्द्रस्त्वं पद्मनाभो रणान्तकृत् || शरण्यं शरणम् च त्वामहुर्दिव्या महर्षयः |

And last point, Puranas didn't make Indra as rain god, he is depicted as rain god in Rigveda too.

Is Indra of the Vedas the rain god Indra?

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  • Many deities are.told as brahman but cheif means prominent Commented Dec 7, 2017 at 9:48
  • @RakeshJoshi Yes, Indra is prominent too..if we talk about Devas then how come their king is not prominent..And when we say Indra, Prajapati, Vedvyas, Manu etc we actually talk about a Post and not about an individual.. ofcourse Indra (king of Devas) is definitely a prominent post....
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You're talking about rig Veda, even in all four Vedas, narayana suktam talks about supreme brahman and purusha suktam, both for Lord Vishnu. westerners want to divide India using rig Veda. The biggest of hymns are only for Lord Vishnu.

Also having more hymns doesn't mean he is supreme. He is born to aditi. He has a soul and will die.

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  • Its totally wrong. I can show you many more verses showing greatness and supremacy of lord Indra who is the chief vedic god Commented Feb 7, 2018 at 23:45
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Narayana

No, Indra as devata, is not declared as Brahman anywhere. Indra, when regarded in the context of Devaraja, does not hold the position of the ultimate deity within the Vedas. Thus, the notion of him being portrayed as the supreme being by the Vedas' foremost authority is not sustainable. In Vedic literature, Indra is distinctly portrayed as a subordinate deity and a devata, whose status was conferred upon him by the Supreme Being, Lord Vishnu. Yajur veda points out towards the Inferiority of Indra Over Śrī Hari, with the latter protecting the former :

viśvakarman haviṣā vardhanena trātāram indram akṛṇor avadhyam ~ Taittirīya Samhita 4.6.2

Visvakarma suktam being a Hymn to Lord Vishnu, is supported by the Fact of it’s Mantras repeating in The Narayana Atharvasirsam, LakshmiNarayana samhita and a Visnu sukta of Atharva Ved’s Pippalada’s Shakha. As per Tandya MahaBrahmana too, Indra failed to Control the pashus, along with other gods, while It was Śrīmannārāyaṇa in the form of Vaman, who did it. The Paingini rahasya Brahman of Rig veda mentions how Vishnu created indra :

vishve hirańyagarbho agniryamo varuńarudrendrāh

Narayana Atharvasirsa upanishads declares Śrīmannārāyaṇa, to be the goal of all Gods, including Indra :

tvameva brahmeśānapurandarapurogamairakhilāmarairakhilāgamairvimṛgyaḥ ~ Narayana Atharvasirsam 1.1

Rig veda samhita explicitly mentions How All Gods, including Devraj indra, obeys the Order of Lord Vishnu :

na yasyendro varuṇo na mitro vratam aryamā na minanti rudraḥ ~ Rig Veda 2.38.9

Vishnu indeed is the deity of the Solar orb and i will deal with this matter in a separate post. The skambha sukta of Atharvaveda mentions how All the 33 deities (including Indra) are contained in the Body/Form of The Supreme being :

yásya tráyastriṃśad devā‌ áṅge sárve samā‌hitāḥ ~ Atharva Veda 10.7.13

Again we have The Nrisimha Tapniye Upanishad, which mentions how Indra and other Gods perform their duties, out of the fear of Vishnu :

bhīṣā'smādagniścendraśca mṛtyurdhāvati pañcama iti tasmāducyate bhīṣaṇamit i ~ Nrisimha Tapniye Upanishad

Also, Not to forget the Fact that Purusha sukta clearly mentions the Birth of Indra deva from Śrīman Nārāyaṇa. There are many more points that can be used to Refute the notion of Indra supremacy, but This much is enough for the time being.

But then, what about those countless suktas, where Indra is hailed as the Lord? Where even Vishnu is hailed as his subordinate? The Upanishad says :

tasmādidandro nāmedandro ha vai nāma| tamidandraṃ santamiṃdra ityācakṣate parokṣeṇa| parokṣapriyā iva hi devāḥ parokṣapriyā iva hi devāḥ || Therefore is He Indra; for Indra is the true name of Him. But though He is Idandra, they call Him Indra because of the veil of the Unrevelation; for the gods love the veil of the Unrevelation, yea, verily, the gods love the Unrevelation. ~ Aitareyopaniṣad

Further, the Sathpath Brahmana of Yajur veda says :

This same vital air in the midst doubtless is Indra. He, by his power (indriya), kindled those (other) vital airs from the midst; and inasmuch as he kindled (indh), he is the kindler (indha): the kindler indeed,-- him they call 'Indra' mystically (esoterically), for the gods love the mystic. ~ Sathpath Brahmana 6.1.1.5

Therefore, Indra is nothing more than a name, assigned to the supreme reality, out of the Factor of Unrevelation and has got nothing to do with the ruler of Swarga lokam. The Sruti says :

ekaṃ sad viprā bahudhā vadanty agniṃ yamam mātariśvānam āhuḥ ~ Rig veda 1.164.46

I.e all these names like Agni, Indra etc are actually various names of one single personality, one single Supreme Being. The Taittirīya Samhita and Rig vedic Visvakarma suktam mentions How the Supreme being is the name giver to All Gods

yo devānāṃ nāmadhā eka eva taꣳ sampraśnam bhuvanā yanty anyā

The Sukta praises Lord Vishnu and the reason has been mentioned Beforehand. The Atharva veda and Rig Veda also mention how all Gods have their base in the Highest Reality :

ṛco akṣare parame vyomanyasmindevā ~ Atharva Veda 9.10.18/Rig veda 1.164

The exact same Mantra is found in Nrisimha tapniye Upanishad 6.9, which again proves the Fact that Śrīman Nārāyaṇa is indeed the deity of the concerned scenario, the one who is the Beholder of all names. Further we have the following pramans, which prove that Vishnu is the beholder of Countless names, subject of all and the one who assigns them :

yasminnasaṅkhyeyaviśeṣanāma rūpākṛtau O lady, your son Krishna has numerous names and forms. ~ Śrīmadbhāgavata 10.8.15

vāsudevaṃ tathā viṣṇumātmānaṃ ca tathā viduḥ | saṃjñābhedaiḥ sa evaiḥ sarvaśāstrābhisaṃskṛtaḥ He is called Vasudeva, Vişnu Atma. By this is clear that Nārāyaṇa alone is the subject of all scriptures. ~ Mahabharata 13.12 4 nāmabhedena sarvatra saṃsthitaḥ parameśvaraḥ Parameśvara alone is established everywhere by various name s ~ Varaha Puran 57.18

sūryasyāntargataṃ sūkṣmaṃ viṣṇuṃ divyaṃ nirañjanam | paryāyaiśca tathā cānyaiḥ śāstrebhyaḥ saṃpragīyate The subtle, divine, and pure Vishnu, who resides within the sun, is also celebrated through various names in the scriptures

~ bṛhadyogiyājñavalkya smṛiti 1.16

Vishnu gave away names to all Gods :

nādādvīraḥ keśavādīni kanye svakaṃ puraṃ pravihāyaiva rājā evaṃ mayoktaṃ kanyake sarvametadetatparaṃ samyagārohaṇīyam 45 || Brahma, etc. are the names of Visnu which he himself had given to the gods. The wise lord did not transfer some of his names such as Kesava, just as a king, when he leaves the capital does not relinquish his title or pass it on to another. ~ G aruda Puran 3.24.45

yajñeśaṃ yajñapuruṣaṃ kecidicchanti tatparaṃ | kecidviṣṇuṃ haraṃ kecit kecid brahmāṇamīśvaraṃ indrādināmabhiḥ kecit sūryyaṃ somañca kālakam brahmādistambhaparyantaṃ jagadviṣṇuṃ vadanti ca sa viṣṇuḥ paramaṃ brahma yato nāvarttate punaḥ |suvarṇādimahākadānapuṇyatīrthāvagāhanaiḥ ||dhyānairvrataiḥ pūjayā ca gharmmaśrutyā tadāpnuyāt | Some (people) invoke that lord Viṣṇu as the lord of sacrifices. Some (invoke) Him as (lord) Hari, some as (lord) Hara (Śiva) and some others as Brahmā. Some (invoke) Him by the names of Indra etc. and others as Sun, Moon and as the eternal time. People state that the whole earth, from Brahmā to a tuft of grass, is Viṣṇu. A person who has attained (lord) Viṣṇu, the Supreme Brahman, never returns (to worldly existence). A man may acquire such a state by making great gifts such as gold, bathing in sacred waters, meditation, austerities, worship, wealth and listening to sacred texts.

~ Agni Puran 382.18-21a

sadasaccaiva yat prāhuravyaktaṃ vyaktameva ca | akṣaraṃ ca kṣaraṃ caiva sarvametanmadātmakam || The learned people call it by the names of sat and asat, manifest and unmanifest and also by the name of supreme reality; it is, indeed, My very nature.

~ Mahabharata, Anu Gita parva ,chapter 54, verse 5

sarvamantreṣu vaiṣṇavaḥ Every mantra pertains to VishNu. ~ Vriddha Harita smriti 3.116

Let us take the example of Aitreya upanishad as well. It says : eṣa brahmaiṣa indra eṣa prajāpatirete sarve devā imāni ca pañcamahābhūtāni pṛthivī vāyurākāśa āpo jyotīṃṣītyetānīmāni ca kśudramiśrāṇīva| bījānītarāṇi cetarāṇi cāṇḍajāni ca jārujāni ca svedajāni codbhijjāni cāśvā gāvaḥ puruṣā hastino yatkiñcedaṃ prāṇi jaṅgamaṃ ca patatri ca yacca sthāvaraṃ sarvaṃ tatprajñānetraṃ prajñāne pratiṣṭhitaṃ prajñānetro lokaḥ prajñā pratiṣṭhā prajñānaṃ brahma || This ruling Brahman; this ruling Indra; this Prajapati Father of his peoples; all these Gods and these five elemental substances, even earth, air, ether, water and the shining principles; and these great creatures and those small; and seeds of either sort; and things egg-born and things sweat-born and things born of the womb and plants that sprout; and horses and cattle and men and elephants; yea, whatsoever thing here breatheth and all that moveth and everything that hath wings and whatso moveth not; by Wisdom all these are guided and have their firm abiding in Wisdom. For Wisdom is the eye of the world, Wisdom is the sure foundation, Wisdom is Brahman Eternal. ~ Aitareyopaniṣad 5.3

This is repeated in padma Puran, where Lord Vishnu is praised with similar Mantras :

eṣa tvaṃ paramaṃ brahma eṣa tvaṃ vai prajāpatiḥ| eṣa tvamiṃdro rudraśca eṣa tvaṃ sarvadevatāḥ 70 etāni sarvabhūtāni tvameva parameśvara | suta mitrāṇi jīvāyustathānyāni sanātana 71 jarāyujāṇḍajātāni svedajodbhidyajāni ca | aśvā gāvaśca puruṣā hastinaścetarāṇi ca 72 yatkiṃcitprāṇijātaṃ ca jaṃgamāścaiva jaṃtavaḥ |sthāvarā ye ca vai nātha sarve tvatto bhavaṃti ca 73 ~ Padma Puran 6.250

Therefore Verily Pragyanam is Brahman and it is Lord Vishnu himself, who is the supreme being denoted and the source of Devraj Indra (eṣa brahmaiṣa indra eṣa), who is the beholder of all names :

tapaśca kratavaḥ kāmo daśa ityādi te prabho |bhavaṃti nāmadheyāni prajñānasya ghṛṇānidheḥ 69 ~ Padma Puran 6.250.69/Aitareyopaniṣad 5.2

This much is enough to establish the Fact that Vishnu is the Giver and beholder of All names. Hence, whenever Vedas use the term ‘Indra' in the sense of Supreme being, it denotes Lord Vishnu alone and not devraja, who is Subsequent to Śrīman Nārāyaṇa.

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normally indra was at vedic times the god who defeated vritra , rain causing god, helper of cows and also the friend of men who helped men against dasyus and dasas and protector of rivers, lord indra freed rivers and usas[ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vala_(Vedic) ]
but at that time this was only indra who defeated vritra and vala so till that time he was the prominent god also agni was the prpminent god and both were twin brothers well in that case also all gods were great and were praised in their hymns. ' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra

well the reason of prominence of indra and agni that time i will explain with examples Maruta ganas were sons of lord rudra in vedas but they have more hymns dedicated to them than lord rudra in rigveda. The reason behind this is they were compainions of indra and helped him finding the cows which were hidden.

So after in post-vedic age when asuras appeared which can not be killed by indra and were killed by the great gods like lord shiva, lord vishnu and godness durga etc. the got more prominence like in vedic days lord vishnu was famous for his three strides which of two are seen by mortals and the third by immortals.

As rigveda means "the book of praises"

This answer is upto you to consider this is just my opinion. ;)

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  • It is not about being ultimate god or not. Its about prime deity. This is not to. Mean that other deities are lesser. Commented Nov 28, 2017 at 22:07
  • answer updated thanks for your opinion. ;) Commented Nov 29, 2017 at 8:18
  • puranas say that indra.cannot defeat asuras.in.order to introduce the concept of avataras Commented Feb 7, 2018 at 23:47
  • @Rakesh joshi i thought the question is about vedas prime diety??? And btw if you not remember till epic period till he got some importance like he revived the vanara sena of rama and in mahabharata great warriors like arjun and karna were compared with sakra(indra) but in purans he got a lot down and not very powerfull. Commented Feb 8, 2018 at 7:59
  • so its up to you if you go by vedas or mahabharata. And puranas Commented Feb 8, 2018 at 11:04
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Yes, Who old that Designation will be the GOD of that.

Indra is not a one person, it's position hold one after one. As per Adi parva of Shiva Purana. When Discussing about Draupadi Janma rahasya. Shiva will test the Indira and ask him to make two pieces of the cave with his Vajrayuda. Once he break, he will she another 4 persons like him and will ask shiva with surprising. Who are there, Then Shiva replies, Before you Take over, these people hold that position and weapon.

So, as per this Indra is not a God, it's a designation

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    Puranic stories are made.in.order to show avataras superior to vedic gods Commented Feb 7, 2018 at 23:46

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