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There are 4 vedas - Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda and Atharvaveda.

But in several places few scriptures are mentioned as 5th Veda, such as:

Mahabharata

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The boon-giving great one then taught Sumanta, Jaimini, Paila, his son Suka, and Vaisampayana, the Vedas having the Mahabharata for their fifth. -Adi Parva: Adivansavatarana Parva of Mahabharata

Purāṇas

ṛg-yajuḥ-sāmātharvākhyā

vedāś catvāra uddhṛtāḥ

itihāsa-purāṇaṁ ca

pañcamo veda ucyate

The four divisions of the original sources of knowledge [the Vedas] were made separately. But the historical facts and authentic stories mentioned in the Purāṇas are called the fifth Veda. -SB 1.4.20

Similarly, I heard that Epics (Ramayana and Mahabharata) are called as 5th Veda or sometimes Epics and Puranas collectively called as 5th Veda.

So, is there any scripture where Ramayana is mentioned as 5th Veda or Epics collectively are mentioned as 5th Veda?

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Similarly, I heard that Epics (Ramayana and Mahabharata) are called as 5th Veda or sometimes Epics and Puranas collectively called as 5th Veda. So, is there any scripture where Ramayana is mentioned as 5th Veda or Epics collectively are mentioned as 5th Veda?

Yes, there is. First of all, the Bhagavatam is one of them, in fact the very Bhagavatam verse you quoted:

ṛg-yajuḥ-sāmātharvākhy vedāś catvāra uddhṛtāḥ
itihāsa-purāṇaṁ ca pañcamo veda ucyate

It's just a translation issue; the verse is actually saying that Itihasas (epics) and Puranas together constitute the fifth Veda.

In any case, another chapter of the Sriman Bhagavatam provides more detail on this:

Beginning from the front face of Brahmā, gradually the four Vedas — Ṛk, Yajur, Sāma and Atharva — became manifest. Thereafter, Vedic hymns which had not been pronounced before, priestly rituals, the subject matters of the recitation, and transcendental activities were all established, one after another. He also created the medical science, military art, musical art and architectural science, all from the Vedas. They all emanated one after another, beginning from the front face. Then he created the fifth Veda — the Purāṇas and the histories — from all his mouths, since he could see all the past, present and future.

This chapter of the Chandogya Upanishad also says that Itihasas and Puranas are the fifth Veda:

I know the Rig-veda, Sir, the Yagur-veda, the Sâma-veda, as the fourth the Âtharvana, as the fifth the Itihâsa-purâna; the Veda of the Vedas; the Pitrya; the Râsi; the Daiva; the Nidhi; the Vâkovâky; the Ekâyana; the Deva-vidyâ; the Brahma-vidyâ; the Bhûta-vidyâ; the Kshatra-vidyâ; the Nakshatra-vidyâ (astronomy); the Sarpa and Devagana-vidyâ.

  • He also created the medical science, military art, musical art and architectural science, all from the Vedas. ---- How? Vedas are just hymns. Right? – Mr. Sigma. Jan 13 '18 at 15:16
  • @Tamas. That's just a translation issue. The verse says "āyur-vedaṁ dhanur-vedaṁ gāndharvaṁ vedam ātmanaḥ | sthāpatyaṁ cāsṛjad vedaṁ kramāt pūrvādibhir mukhaiḥ ||" It doesn't say they emerged from the Vedas, it says they emerged from Brahms's mouth starting from his front mouth. It's just that the translator took "vedam" as an independent word rather than part of Gandharva Veda. In any case, the Vedas aren't just hymns. The Samhitas consist of hymns, but the Vedas consist of Samhitas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, and Upanishads. – Keshav Srinivasan Jan 13 '18 at 15:31
  • Thanks for the answer however the word Ramyana or Epic is missing. If the special mention of Ramayana (same as Mahabharata) can be found it would be great. As in the verse I quoted itihāsa is translated as "historical facts & authentic stories (found in Puranas)" and not Epics, so few people may translate these verse also in that way. However it is well known that Epics are also called itihāsa so if no other answer received, I shall be accepting this as an answer... – YDS Jan 13 '18 at 15:38
  • @YDS The word epic is not missing, epic is just an English translation for Itihasa, which is the actual Sanskrit term for the Ramayana and Mahabharata. – Keshav Srinivasan Jan 13 '18 at 15:57
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    @YDS Kavya is a more general category of poetry, but Itihasa is the specific term for the Ramayana and Mahabharata. It is the Itihasas and Puranas that constitute the 5th Veda, not Kayvas in general. – Keshav Srinivasan Jan 13 '18 at 16:10

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