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I was reading a post containing the following lines taken from Veda, where I could not understand.

That is Fullness, this is Fullness; from Fullness comes Fullness. When Fullness is taken from Fullness, Fullness remains.

Because if Fullness is taken away from Fullness, then nothing remains. Then how Fullness remains after it taken away? If Fullness remains, then

How do Veda define for Emptyness or void?

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This is actually the following Shanti PAtha from the Upanishads. I find it at the start of the Ishopanishad, which is part of the Shukla Yajurveda's VAjansaneyi SamhitA.

Om purnamadah purnamidam purnAt purnamudachyate |
Purnashya purnamAdAya purnamevAvasghishyate ||


That (or the Parabrahaman) is full; this (or the Brahman which is NAma Rupastha i.e which is having name, form) also is full; From fullness comes fullness; When fullness is extracted (or removed) from fullness (that is removing Purnatva from KArya-Brahman), only fullness (i.e KArana Brahman or the Parabrahman) remains.


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"purnamadah purnamidam"

Adah ---- That; which is denoting here the Brahman that is established in Paroksha Rupa or KArana Rupa i.e as the cause and not the effect.

Idam --- This ( i.e the Brahman which is manifested with name forms. Which resulted from the cause, but it's still the same Brahman, so both are eqaully full or infinite).

So, both are the same Brahman, with one in the form of cause (KArana) of everything and another as the KArya or the effect of that cause. This later one is having NAma-Rupa.

Now, this following line says, when we get the required knowledge (VidyA), which removes the ignorance or veil that make us to differentiate between this two so-called types of the same Brahman, then only the Brahman (which is the cause of everything) is that which remains.

Purnashya purnamAdAya purnamevAvasghishyate ||

purnamevAvasghishyate- Purnam eva (only Brahman who is the cause) avashishyate (remains).

This also explains a mathematical concept that taking infinity out of infinity, only infinity remains. Purna means "full" or "infinite".

See the following Mantra from the Atharva Veda, which also says the same:

PurnAt Purnam udacchati purnam purnena sicyate || OR When infinity is removed (udachati) from infinity, it's the infinity that only remains.

Atharva Veda 10.8.29

Some people incorrectly renders this Mantra as meaning " (Infinity) minus (Infinity) is Infinity" to apparently show the limitation of ancient seers.

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Hinduism do not subscribe to nihilism which is is commonly defined as the belief that nothing exists as a correspondent component of the self-efficient world. Or the concept of pure voidness.

In hinduism the self ,atman or brahman is always present in the form of truth or supreme consciousness. So there is no such a concept of complete emptiness in hinduism or in vedas. The brahman itself is complete and from that complete brahman this creation arose. Which we can see in the verse you quoted in the question.

पूर्णमदः पूर्णमिदं पूर्णात्पुर्णमुदच्यते
पूर्णस्य पूर्णमादाय पूर्णमेवावशिष्यते ॥


The Nasadiya Sukta (Rig veda 10.129) mantra 2 tells us that Brahman was only existed before the creation .

न मृत्युरासीदमृतं न तर्हि न रात्र्या अह्न आसीत्प्रकेत : |
अनीदवातं स्वधया तदेकं तस्माद्भा न्यन्न पर: किन्चःनास ||2||

Na mrutyura āsīd amṛtaṁ na tarhi na rātryā ahna āsīt praketaḥ |
ānīd avātaṁ svadhayā tad ekaṁ tasmād dhānyan na paraḥ kiṁ canāsa || 2 ||

Then there was neither death nor immortality Nor was there then the torch of night and day. The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining. There was that One then, and there was no other In the beginning there was nothing. There was neither light nor darkness, neither the sun nor the moon, nor the earth, but one undivided nothingness. This nothingness is described in the Hindu scriptures as the unknown Brahman or indeterminate (avyakta) Brahman. It is also described as asat or Nonexistence (asat). This nothingness was believed to be the original state of things.


That means the Brahman was exsistace in it's bodyly form but in the form of Atman or Pure consiousness.

The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad Adhyaya 2 -Brahmana 1 - Mantra 1 tells us that the cause and the effect which was covered was exsisted before the creation. Here is the Shankar Bhashya.

नैवेह किंचनाग्र आसीत्, मृत्युनैवेदमावृतमासीदशनायया |

naiveha kiṃcanāgra āsīt,

There was nothing whatsoever here in the beginning. It was covered only by Death (Hiraṇyagarbha),

Question: Was it altogether void?

Vedāntin’s reply: Yet the Śruti says, ‘It was covered only by Death.’ Therefore on the authority of the Śruti we conclude that the cause which covered, and the effect which was covered, were both existent before the origin of the universe.


And what was that cause? The Aitareya Upanishad gives us the answer.

आत्मा वा इदमेक एवाग्र आसीत् |नान्यत्किंचन मिषत् | स ईक्षत लोकन्तु सृजा इति ||1||

atma va idameka evagra asinnanyatki.nchana mishat.h . sa ikshata lokannu srija iti

In the beginning all this verily was Atman (Absolute Self) only, one and without a second. There was nothing else that winked. He (Atman) willed Himself: "Let Me now create the worlds".


So in conclusion we can say that there is no concept of pure voidness in hinduism ,even in the void there is brahman in the form of ( sat- Truth , chit - Atman (consciousness) , which itself is complete. So Completeness and voidness is brahman itself. And there is nothing present but Brahman i.e. all is Brahman. Brahman is completeness and voidness is Brahman only .

  • I am curious about your 1st & last paragraph, which refutes "void-ness". However wouldn't the concept of "Neti-Neti" would eventually bring to "void"? In my understanding (right/wrong), even BG 8.20 also refers to similar void-ness. Interestingly if you refer user "Be Happy" (Jabahar) profile, then it suggests a philosophical sect based in Orissa, named as "Shunya VAda". Even from your own answer: "There was neither light nor darkness, neither the sun nor the moon, nor the earth, but one undivided nothingness." I think "no concept of voidness in Hinduism" could be an overstatement. :-) – iammilind Jan 16 '18 at 9:40
  • @iammilind - No the concept of "Neti-Neti" - not this ,not this is not related with void-ness. But in fact it is related to description of brahman ,which can only be tell with the word "Neti-Neti. That mean he can't be described with indriyas. i.e. Brahman is unthinkable and if one tries to define it the answer would be (according to shruties) Neti-Neti. – SwiftPushkar Jan 16 '18 at 9:44
  • @iammilind Upanishads are also denying the concept of Shunya Vada i.e Buddhism. Shankara , Ved Vyasa in various places written commentary in refutation of the concept of complete void-ness. – SwiftPushkar Jan 16 '18 at 9:50
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Adi Shankaracharya interprets this verse as describing how Saguna Brahman emananates from Nirguna Brahman. Here's what he this section of his Brihadaranyaka Upanishad Bhashya:

That is infinite, not limited by anything, i.e. all-pervading. The suffix ‘kta’ in the word ‘Pūrṇa’ (lit. complete) has a subjective force. ‘That’ is a pronoun denoting something remote; it means the Supreme Brahman. It is complete, all-pervading like the ether, without a break, and unconditioned. So also is this conditioned Brahman, manifesting through name and form and coming within the scope of relativity (the universe), infinite or all-pervading indeed in its real form as the Supreme Self, not in its differentiated form circumscribed by the limiting adjuncts. This differentiated Brahman, the effect, proceeds or emanates from the infinite, or Brahman as cause. Although it emanates as an effect, it does not give up its nature, infinitude, the state of the Supreme Self; it emanates as but the infinite. Taking the infinitude of the infinite, or Brahman as effect, i.e. attaining perfect unity with its own nature by removing through knowledge its apparent otherness that is created by ignorance through the contact of limiting adjuncts, the elements, it remains as the unconditioned infinite Brahman alone, without interior or exterior, the homogeneous Pure Intelligence.

Madhvacharya says that it refers to how Avataras emanate from Vishnu:

The Avataras of Mahavishnu are all said to be Purna or Full. Full is also that Mula form, called Param-rupam, or the highest form. From this Full or the Highest Form come out Avataras, who are also Purnas or Full.... When the Full, belonging to the Mula Form or Root Form, withdraws within Himself the other Purna or Full, namely, that which is known as the Avatara-form, then there remains the Full alone.

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