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  1. Shiva: In which verse of gita, krishna has declared either that krishna is "shiva" or declared that "shiva" origiates from him?

  2. Vishnu: In which verse of gita , krishna has declared either that krishna is "vishnu" or declared that "vishnu" origiates from him?

  3. Brahma: In which verse of gita, krishna has declared either that krishna is "brahma" or declared that "brahma" origiates from him?

  4. Devi/Shakti: In which verse of gita, krishna has declared either that devishakti operates/originates under him? or He is himself shakti?

  5. Krishna is supreme form: In which verse of gita and scriptures, krishna has declared either that krishna is the most complete/supreme form out of all the these trimurti

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Lord Krishna is Vishnu! Arjuna uttered this while looking at the universal form.

Chapter 11, Verse 24

O all-pervading Visnu, I can no longer maintain my equilibrium. Seeing Your radiant colors fill the skies and beholding Your eyes and mouths, I am afraid.

Chapter 11, Verse 30

O Visnu, I see You devouring all people in Your flaming mouths and covering the universe with Your immeasurable rays. Scorching the worlds, You are manifest.

Arjuna also saw Brahma and shiva in universal form of visnu.

Chapter 11, Verse 15

Arjuna said: My dear Lord Krsna, I see assembled together in Your body all the demigods and various other living entities. I see Brahma sitting on the lotus flower as well as Lord Siva and many sages and divine serpents.

At another place he says that there is no one superior to him, in other words he is the cause of all causes.

Chapter 7, Verse 7

O conquerer of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.

  • Shiva is wrong translation Jha Saheb. Arjuna said: My dear Lord Krsna, I see assembled together in Your body all the demigods and various other living entities. I see Brahma sitting on the lotus flower as well as Lord Siva and many sages and divine serpents. – Mr. Sigma. Feb 11 '18 at 16:34
  • You better check Sanskrit before pasting here. – Mr. Sigma. Feb 11 '18 at 16:37
  • @Rajas. Siva and shiva are different? the actual verse calls him "isam" – Anubhav Jha Feb 11 '18 at 16:37
  • @Rajas. Just like vishnu is called visnu, shiva is called siva too that extra h sound is not needed. – Anubhav Jha Feb 11 '18 at 16:39
  • Only Vaishnava philosophers have translated that Shiva because being Vaishnava. In reality, Arjuna saw kAl & he saw only Brahma there. – Mr. Sigma. Feb 11 '18 at 16:39
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1) Shiva: In which verse of gita, krishna has declared either that krishna is "shiva" or declared that "shiva" origiates from him?

Replace shiva with rudras.

We will start from the verse of bhagwat geeta :-

I am Marichi among the Maruts, and the Moon among constellations. I am the Sama Veda among the Vedas; I am Vasava among the gods; I am the mind among the senses; I am the intellect in (living) beings. I am Sankara among the Rudras.

—— The Mahabharata, Book 6: Bhishma Parva: Bhagavat-Gita Parva: Section XXXIV (Bhagavad Gita Chapter X)

It says that among eleven rudras krishna is shankar as there are eleven rudras and all have different name mahabharat gives an account of two types of eleven rudras one from harvamsa parva and one from mahabharat. Before it was kapalin who was best among rudras now according to bhagwat geeta he is shankar who is best among rudras thats why krishna says among rudras i am shankar. For proof click here :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudras

clicking here you can knoledge abou rudras. Some would be thinking how there are these much rudras ok some time it is called kalpa-bheda (diffences because kalpa of which it is mentioned.)

Ok here is the proof that will clear it:-

Eleven hundred Rudras stood around that Deity of restrained soul and white deeds, then seated upon his bull. All of them were employed in hymning his praises. The Adityas, the Vasus, the Sadhyas, the Viswedevas, and the twin Aswins praised that Lord of the universe by uttering the hymns occurring in the scriptures.

—— The Mahabharata, Book 13: Anusasana Parva: Anusasanika Parva: Section XIV

So here eleven hundred rudras are mentioned.

And here is some more proof:-

O son of Pritha, flowed from this Krishna who is Vishwaksena. The Rudras, the Adityas, the Vasus, the Aswins, the Sadhyas, the Viswedevas, the diverse Maruts, Prajapati himself, the mother of the deities, viz., Aditi, and the seven Rishis, have all sprung from Krishna.

— The Mahabharata, Book 13: Anusasana Parva: Section CLVIII

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Likewise the Maruts are the foremost of the Ganas. Surya is the lord of all the planets, and Chandramas of all the constellations. Yama is the lord of the Pitris; Ocean is the lord of all rivers. Varuna is the king of the waters. Indra is said to be the king of the Maruts. Arka is the king of all hot bodies, and Indra of all luminous bodies. Agni is the eternal lord of the elements, and Vrihaspati of the Brahmanas. Soma is the lord of (deciduous) herbs, and Vishnu is the foremost of all that are endued with might. Tashtri is the king of Rudras , and Siva of all creatures.

—— The Mahabharata, Book 14: Aswamedha Parva: Anugita Parva: Section XLIII

And here we can see that Tashtri is the king of rudras and shiva lord of all creatures.

But it is not just for rudras see this verse from bhagwat geeta :-

I am Vishnu among the Adityas

——The Mahabharata, Book 6: Bhishma Parva: Bhagavat-Gita Parva: Section XXXIV (Bhagavad Gita Chapter X)

Some people say that shiva is in the vishwrupa of krishna but it is false because in vedas rudra is praised as having vishwrupa.

Here it is :-

namo virupebhyo vishvarupebhyashcha vo namo

Salutations to you who assume grotesque and monstrous forms and other diverse shapes.

—— sri rudram,anuvaka 4

And in mahabharat also tells what is vishwrupa and declares that shiva is also known as vishwrupa. Here it is :-

Since by all his acts he performs sacrifices for all and seeks the good of every creature, therefore he is called Siva or the auspicious one. Staying above (in the sky) he burns the lives of all creatures and is, besides, fixed in a particular route from which he does not deviate. His emblem, again, is fixed and immovable for all time. He is, for these reasons, called Sthanu. He is also of multiform aspect. He is present, past, and future. He is mobile and immobile. For this he is called Vahurupa (of multiform aspect). The deities called Viswedevas reside in his body. He is, for this, called Viswarupa (of universal form).

——The Mahabharata, Book 13: Anusasana Parva: Section CLXI

And yes the reason people call him inside the vishwrupa of krishna is because acharyas like madhavacharya and ramanujacharya gave promenency to the word 'isham' which is an adjective for bramha as bramha is lord of creatures. Rather than that they say that the isham is shiva. Although isham is between bramha and his lotus seat. Here is the verse from bhagwat geeta.

अर्जुन उवाचपश्यामि देवांस्तव देव देहेसर्वांस्तथा भूतविशेषसङ्घान्। ब्रह्माणमीशं कमलासनस्थमृषींश्च सर्वानुरगांश्च दिव्यान्।।11.15।।

Arjuna said: My dear Lord Krishna, I see assembled in Your body all the demigods and various other living entities. I see Brahma sitting on the lotus flower, as well as Lord Shiva and all the sages and divine serpents.

Here the line means——"bramha who is lord of creatures is sitting on his lotus seat. This translation is also refferd by the founder of advait vedant" - adi shankaracharya.

And also the famous translation of full vyasa mahabharat by kisari mohan gaungoli which is on sacred texts.com also writes this :-

"Arjuna said, 'I behold all the gods, O God, as also all the varied hosts of creatures, (and) Brahman seated on (his) lotus seat, and all the Rishis and the celestial snakes. I behold Thee with innumerable arms, stomachs, mouths, (and) eyes, on every side, O thou of infinite forms. Neither end nor middle, nor also beginning of thine do I behold, O Lord of the universe, O thou of universal form.

—— The Mahabharata, Book 6: Bhishma Parva: Bhagavat-Gita Parva: Section XXXV (Bhagavad Gita Chapter XI)

And other translations of bhagwat geeta on the famous website sacred texts.com done by scholar also does not show shiva in vishvrupa of krishna.

Here are those links :-

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbg/index.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/gita/index.htm

Here,some may be thinking that what is the matter here? Why some include shiva in krishna vishvrupa and some do not include it.

The reason is the word 'isham'.

The line - ब्रह्माणमीशं कमलासनस्थमृषींश्च सर्वानुरगांश्च दिव्यान्।।11.15।।

Here bramhaisham kamalsansthmrishech

Here the word 'isham' is reffered as shiva. As they think ish as shiva.

Yes the word ishwar refers to shiva and the word maheshwar means - great ishwar. The word ishan also refers to shiva. But only ishan has a connection with word isham. So,Ishan means the ruler, the god who rules the world. The lord of the universe.

And Isham means rulership or lordship over the unverse. Here ist the proof :-

"——Duryodhana said, "After the fears of those throngs of the pitris, the gods, and the Rishis had thus been dispelled by that high-souled Deity, Brahman then offered his adorations, unto Sankara, and said these words for the benefit of the universe, ——Through thy favour, O Lord of all, the Lordship of all creatures is mine. Occupying that rank, I have given a great boon to the Danavas. It behoveth none else, save thee, O Lord of the Past and the Future, to destroy those wicked wights that show no regard for any one. Thou O god, art the only person competent to slay the foes of these denizens of heaven that have sought thy protection and that solicit thee. O lord of all the gods, show favour to these. Slay the Danavas, O wielder of the trident. O giver of honours, let the universe, through thy grace, obtain happiness. O Lord of all the worlds, thou art the one whose shelter should be sought. We all seek thy shelter.

—— The Mahabharata, Book 8: Karna Parva: Section 34

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2) Vishnu: In which verse of gita , krishna has declared either that krishna is "vishnu" or declared that "vishnu" origiates from him?

I am Vishnu among the Adityas

——The Mahabharata, Book 6: Bhishma Parva: Bhagavat-Gita Parva: Section XXXIV (Bhagavad Gita Chapter X)

3)Brahma: In which verse of gita, krishna has declared either that krishna is "brahma" or declared that "brahma" origiates from him?

"Arjuna said, 'I behold all the gods, O God, as also all the varied hosts of creatures, (and) Brahman seated on (his) lotus seat, and all the Rishis and the celestial snakes. I behold Thee with innumerable arms, stomachs, mouths, (and) eyes, on every side, O thou of infinite forms. Neither end nor middle, nor also beginning of thine do I behold, O Lord of the universe, O thou of universal form.

—— The Mahabharata, Book 6: Bhishma Parva: Bhagavat-Gita Parva: Section XXXV (Bhagavad Gita Chapter XI)

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