Taittiriya Samhita of Krishna Yajurveda has the following verse. [Translated by Arthur Berriedale Keith and emphasis mine]. From archive.org

Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man.

Krishna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita Kanda 6 Prapathaka 5 Mantra 8.2

What is the context and correct interpretation of this mantra / verse?

I'm asking if the above mantra is to be taken as a law because it runs parallel to the laws dharma shastras give which do provide inheritance, we know that between shruti and smriti, shruti is given more authority.

  • You can write an answer instead @UdayKrishna Comments are not for answering. Also don't delete your comments after some time. If you want them to delete immediately, don't comment on first place. – Sarvabhouma Aug 9 at 9:03
  • Anisha, when you ask a question, you have to share some info about the verse, what is your doubt and why you feel its wrong and why you are looking for other translations as right. You have to give proper attribution to the author. Hiding it under a verse number isn't right. What do 6,5,8,2 mean here? Add that too. You have to add from where you took it without needing the reader to go through the link. Some don't want to go through the link every time for different reasons. Thee is nothing in your question body except the quote which isn't a good way to ask a question. Visit How to Ask. – Sarvabhouma Aug 9 at 9:08
  • If you read the mantra completely, you can get a clearer idea instead of a part of the mantra. – Sarvabhouma Aug 9 at 9:40
  • On the inheritance part, there are varied opinions. Sometimed both man & woman get equal (but in different patterns) "Bhishma said, 'The son is even as one's own self, and the daughter is like unto the son. How, therefore, can another take the wealth when one lives in one's own self in the form of one's daughter?" Mahabharat, Anushasana Parva – iammilind 2 days ago
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The whole portion of Taittiriya Samhita is related to Soma Sacrifice and describing the rules of it in order to complete the sacrifice ritual only, according to procedure, so that the Yajamana and his wife may get the full benefits of the soma Yajna. As the success of these elaborate rituals largely depend upon accuracy of procedure.

Let us see what is the real context of the mantra and what is its meaning and purpose.

Some Background - As i said earlier the portion you quoted in the question is related to Soma sacrifice or Soma Yajnas. Which is either a single day or multiple day sacrifice. This sacrifice is consist of enthusiastically praising SOMA, a inspiriting drink from soma plant as god and king, because it gives a particular kind effect giving visionary Fluency, which can be seen in the mantras and hymns. i.e. Yajamana and Brahmanas can clearly can experience the power and can see the real meaning of mantras and hymns.

The procedure of this sacrifice involves pressing the Soma plant and preparing a drink to be offered to various gods. This soma plant is pressed three times. These pressings are called Pratha Savana (Early-morning Pressing),Madhyandina Savana (Midday Pressing) and Tritya Savana.

During the first two pressing the wife of Yajamana is not present there at pressing. But interestingly at the third pressing she has to be present. While the first two pressings are of fresh soma plant, the third one is repress of the residues, which is acquired from two previous pressing.

After offering the soma juice to gods, during the third pressing the residual leftovers is again pressed and a weak drink is prepared, which is then mix either with curd, milk or ghee for human consumption. But even after pressing the soma plant for two times, it was observed that the even residual soma plant leftover if repressed again can give the same kind of effect as the freshly pressed soma juice.

The mixing of leftovers and the mixture's ritual usage is thus a complete ritual.

And the actual purpose of the mantra is to tell us that Women (wife of Yajamana) is not fit to receive the share of this soma drink and to barred them from taking it. And the mantra is just explaning us the causes of why women are not allowed to take share of soma Drink.

Now lets see the wrong translation given by the author and see the actual meaning.

Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man."

1) Women are powerless - Women (wife of the host) is not strong enough to press this soma plant because its particularly tough plant to press by hand.

2) have no inheritance - Women are not the priests by inheritance (only priests and yajamana are allowed to take the share) and Women are not allowed to perform this Yajna alone (without her husband) , because these Yajnas are costly and husband can only afford the sacrifice, so they are unfit to take the share of soma juice.

3) speak more humbly than even a bad man - Soma is strong drink, women especially do not like the taste of it and are not capable to resist it's strong intoxicating effect. And if they are allowed there can be adverse effects of the drink on their health. So they are barred from taking the share of the soma drink as it is in Soma Yajnas.

What you have quoted is missing the soul of the mantra, its actual purpose and is wrong translation.

Note - The some portion and info. in this answer is compiled from various discrete sources from the internet. So considered this as partially sourced or unsourced answer. I have tried the honest effort to state the correct info. in the answer as much as possible I will update the answer if more strong evidences are found , as there is no reliable english translation of Taittiriya Samhita (by indian author) is available widely. Here is one of the sources .

  • Another thing is the mantra quoted is only half part and missed the second part. In the first part, the reason is said. The reason is about Sacrifice. You can add that too. – Sarvabhouma Aug 9 at 18:28
  • "consider this as partially sourced or unsourced answer." -- this actually looks like a placeholder answer...not a real answer and more of your own commentary. Are the blockquotes your own translation? If so, using blockquotes is misleading. – sv. 2 days ago
  • @sv. There is nothing wrong in using blockquotes for own translation. They should not be used for own interpretation. Better tools are available today to translate Sanskrit to English than ever before. Remember that 90% of Gita translation are inaccurate. Same coukd be applied to other scripture. – iammilind 2 days ago
  • @sv. - Yes ,that is my translation.But the meaning is concluded from various sources. So I am just presenting one view in my own words. – SwiftPushkar 2 days ago
  • @iammilind- Yes ,the vedic language is quite poetic as well as obscure.Even commentators like sayana isn't definitely saying that a single word is used for perticular purpose.But it's close resemblance with the topic is taken. So anyone can conclude anything , off course I am not that eligible or have that merit. But the translation isn't wandering too much from the topic discussed. – SwiftPushkar 2 days ago

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