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The Vedas say that women menstruate as they took a portion of Indra's sin for killing a brahmin. Didn't women menstruate before this happened? How did they give birth before this happened?

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    When people pluck the sweet-smelling blooms of a plant, they’re actually dismembering the female reproductive organs of plants, with the egg-holding pistil the “female” part, that gives all the beautiful smell :| .Vedas dont say so, its that only some Puranas says so. Vedas are Shrutis and Puranas are Smritis and much more prone to corruption as Vedas were studied by Brahmins, learned scholars while Puranas were corrupted number of times by common people. And brother menstruation in a woman is not a sin, thats a natural process, just like nocturnal emission in a man is not a sin. – user16678 Nov 1 '18 at 17:47
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    hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/8591/… If written in Puranas only and not written in 4 Vedas or Upanishads, it was a most probably a corruption added by some common person later on. – user16678 Nov 1 '18 at 17:55
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    Its a joke, that women mestruation is a sin in Hinduism, yet you worship God with flowers that are nothing but plants females parts aka egg-holding pistils. Just think – user16678 Nov 1 '18 at 18:02
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    @Father, there is no need to think that way about flowers. by that logic, grains are the male equivalent of seed of plants. does that mean we are everyday consuming plant rethas ? Just think. Categorically saying Puranas are corrupted is simply misleading. Trying to understand Vedas without Puranas is even more misleading. – ram Nov 1 '18 at 22:31
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    @Father, you also recently said that a higher-varna woman marrying a lower-varna man is Anuloma (accepted by shastras), whereas it is actually Pratiloma.. so I don't know how believable your opinions are. – ram Nov 1 '18 at 23:44
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In Rig Veda elimination of Vritra by Indra was mentioned .

According to the Rig Veda, Vritra kept the waters of the world captive until he was killed by Indra. Tvashtra fashioned the thunderbolt (Vajrayudha) for Indra. Thereafter, he defeated Danu, the mother of Vritra.


Indra killing Viśvarūpa or Triśiras - created by Tvaṣṭā to dethrone Indra, a part which sin was shared by Women was narrated in Taittiriya Samhita of Krishna Yajurveda.

In Puranas it was narrated that Tvaṣṭā, created Vṛtra to exact his revenge. And, Indra eliminated even Vṛtra.


Rig Veda pre-dates Yajur veda and Puranas. So this episode of elimination of Viśvarūpa and Vritra of from Puranas might be an interpolated one.

There was no mention about killing of Viśvarūpa in Rig Veda. Further, in Rig Veda mention about Danu, mother of Vritra was made.

It indicates that women used to menstruate and procreate even before that episode.

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    Nice answer. Luckily we have something to "prove" that which is obvious. – Complex Numbers Sep 29 at 15:47
  • "Rig Veda pre-dates Yajur veda" - proof? Vedas were one, they were simply classified into 4 by Vyasa. – ram Nov 24 at 3:52
  • @ram: my post answers your query. There was difference in narration from Rig Veda to Yajurveda, with respect to Indra's Acts. Further, the rituals mentioned in Rig Veda are used in esoteric sense, whereas in Yajurveda they were made physical. Besides, the mrityunjaya mantra mantra from Rig Veda was elaborated in Yajurveda , including the phrase namah shivaya , which was not from Rig Veda – srimannarayana k v Nov 24 at 4:36
  • let's take your sentence for example "my post answers your query" - should we say the words 'post' and 'answers' PREDATE the words 'your' & 'query' ? If B is an explanation of A, of course A has to come before B. It does not mean B was made at a later date. They are all part of one big book. Vyasa simply divided them into 4 chapters because human intellect decreases with yugas and they can't learn all 4 – ram Nov 24 at 6:59
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Women menstruated before they partook Indra's sin.

Women were never "cursed" with menstruation according to Samhitas and Brahmana, which are the only authentic portion of the Vedas.

Even in the most quoted verses from the Taittirya Samhita, the women were not cursed. The plain meaning of the text-only leads to the fact that the women accepted the sins of Indra. This is not equivalent to getting cursed!

The Vedas have accorded a respectable position to the women.

Menstruation was not considered as a taboo.

This practices of considering women as impure has no basis in the Saṃhitā and Brāhmaṇa. It is an element of Śramaṇa that was later ingrained in lifestyles to establish superiority over Buddhism.

The Vedic rituals comprise of domestic (Gṛhya) and solemn rituals (Śrauta) which invite the Gods to receive the offerings. The presence of the wife is indispensable in these rituals because God did not accept the oblations offered by an unmarried man. The energy of the women was essential to the rituals and cannot be dispensed with even by the Vedic ritualists (see Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa 1.9.2.5).

अथ पत्नीः संयाजयन्ति । यज्ञाद्वै प्रजाः प्रजायन्ते यज्ञात्प्रजायमाना मिथुनात्प्रजायन्ते मिथुनात्प्रजायमाना अन्ततो यज्ञस्य प्रजायन्ते

तदेना एतदन्ततो यज्ञस्य मिथुनात्प्रजननात्प्रजनयति तस्मान्मिथुनात्प्रजननादन्ततो यज्ञस्येमाः प्रजाः प्रजायन्ते तस्मात्पत्नीः संयाजयन्ति - १.९.२.[५]

Aitareya Brāhmaṇa even goes to the extent of saying that the man cannot become a spiritual entity without a wife. Taittrīya Brāhmaṇa has considered an unmarried person as irreverent (2.2.2.6)!

अयज्ञो वा एषः । योऽपत्नीकः

The hymns of Samāveda were sung by the women who were trained in the music (see Pāṇinīya Śikṣa 5.52).

मन्त्रो हीनः स्वरतो वर्णतो वा मिथ्याप्रयुक्तो न तमर्थमाह।

स वाग्वज्रो यजमानं हिनस्ति यथेन्द्रशत्रुः स्वरतोऽपराधात्।।52।।

In the absence of men, the Vedic scriptures allow the wife to assume the ritual role and she was considered on par with God (see Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa 3.5.3.1 – 4).

पुरुषो वै यज्ञः । पुरुषस्तेन यज्ञो यदेनं पुरुषस्तनुत एष वै तायमानो यावानेव पुरुषस्तावान्विधीयते तस्मात्पुरुषो यज्ञः शिर

एवास्य हविर्धानम् । वैष्णवं देवतयाथ यदस्मिन्त्सोमो भवति हविर्वै देवानां सोमस्तस्माद्धविर्धानं नाम मुखमेवास्याहवनीयः । स

यदाहवनीये जुहोति यथा मुखऽआसिञ्चेदेवं तत् स्तुप एवास्य यूपः । बाहू एवास्याग्नीध्रीयश्च मार्जालीयश्च

It is true that during the period of menstruation the woman cannot serve alone as a medium to transport the powers from the deities see Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa 5.2.1.8).

अथ नेष्टा पत्नीमुदानेष्यन् । कौशं वासः परिधापयति कौशं वा चण्डातकमन्तरं दीक्षितवसनाज्जघनार्धो वा एष यज्ञस्य यत्पत्नी

तामेतत्प्राचीं यज्ञं प्रसादयिष्यन्भवत्यस्ति वै पत्न्या अमेध्यं यदवाचीनं नाभेर्मेध्या वै दर्भास्तद्यदेवास्या अमेध्यं तदेवास्या

एतद्दर्भैर्मेध्यं कृत्वाथैनां प्राचीं यज्ञं प्रसादयति तस्मान्नेष्टा पत्नीमुदानेस्यन्कौशं वासः परिधापयति कौशं वा चण्डातकमन्तरं

दीक्षितवसनात् - ५.२.१.[८]

However, there is no stigma attached to entering the kitchen or the cooking area. This is a later invention to subjugate the women!

Even the performers of the yajñá did not exclude the wife during the period of menstruation from the rituals that were to be performed at the time of the new moon and full moon. The waist of the wife was circumferentially tied with the rope explicitly identified as the noose of Varuṇa (see Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa 5.2.1.8 and 1.3.1.20) and she took part in the rituals even during menstruation.

अथाज्यमादाय प्राङुदाहरति । तदाहवनीयेऽधिश्रयति यस्याहवनीये हवींषि श्रपयन्ति सर्वो मे यज्ञ आहवनीये शृतोऽसदित्यथ

यदमुत्राग्रेऽधिश्रयति पत्नीं ह्यवकाशयिष्यन्भवति न हि तदवकल्पते यत्सामि प्रत्यग्घरेत्पत्नीमवकाशयिष्यामीत्यथ यत्पत्नीं

नावकाशयेदन्तरियाद्ध यज्ञात्पत्नीं तथो ह यज्ञात्पत्नीं नान्तरेति तस्मादु सार्धमेव विलाप्य प्रागुदाहरत्यवकाश्य पत्नीं यस्यो पत्नी न

भवत्यग्र एव तस्याहवनीयेऽधिश्रयति तत्तत आदत्ते तदन्तर्वेद्यासादयति

It is due to these elements of the Vedic religion and probably to stop the high jacking of Śramaṇism on the Vedic way of life, the authors of the Smṛtis of were forced to pronounce that women are always pure (Yājñavalkya Smṛti 1.71, Vaśiṣṭha Smṛti 28.6).

सोमः शौचं ददावासां गन्धर्वश्च शुभां गिरम् ।

पावकः सर्वमेध्यत्वं मेध्या वै योषितो ह्यतः । । १.७१ । ।

Women, Child and old are never impure (Āpastamba Smṛti 2.1 –3). Vaśiṣṭha eulogizing the women even went to compare the acts of women to that of an innocent child and therefore, always pure (see Vaśiṣṭha Smṛti 3.66).

Shankha in his Smṛti has gone proclaimed that as menstruation clears all the sins of the women and she is again purified. (see Sankha Smriti 16-17). Even the most popular Smṛti of Manava (Manu) has said that the mouth of the women and of a bird are pure (see M. Sm. 5.130).

नित्यं आस्यं शुचि स्त्रीणां शकुनिः फलपातने ।

प्रस्रवे च शुचिर्वत्सः श्वा मृगग्रहणे शुचिः ।

Parāśara asks us to do undoable when he exhorts that women are always pure whether they speak pleasantly or unpleasantly. Somā, Gandharva and Agni have purified the women (see Parāśara Smṛti 6.61-63).

कुर्याद्वाक्यं द्विजानां तु अन्यथा भ्रूणहा भवेत् । ब्राह्मणा जङ्गमं तीर्थं तीर्थभूता हि साधवः ।। ६.६१ ।।

तेदां वाक्योदकेनैव शुध्यन्ति मलिना जनाः ।ब्राह्मणा यानि भाषन्ते मन्यन्ते तानि देवताः ।। ६.६२ ।।

सर्वदेवमयो विप्रो न तद्वचनं अन्यथा ।उपवासो व्रतं चैव स्नानं तीर्थं जपस्तपः ।। ६.६३ ।।

Atrī in his Smṛti has even dealt the theme of rape of women and has said without mincing any words that if a woman is raped then such a woman should not be considered fallen and she should not be abandoned.

In conclusion, a woman has been accorded a highly respectable position in the Vedic religion of Samhitā and Brāhmaṇa. It is the moral duty of any sane minded believer in Vedas to emancipate from the mythology of Purāṇa and metamorphize to put claim to the true religion of the Vedas.

There is no permission from the Vedas for nonsensical acts of sending one’s own wife to a forest (because of unfounded suspicion) or stealing the cloths of maidens (for fun or alibis like to fulfil their desires from previous lives).

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    Looks like you have copied the same answer which was deleted a couple of days ago. Some links are missing. – Sarvabhouma Nov 26 at 4:55
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    @Sarvabhouma No comments. You are free to downvote if you think there is plagiarism. – user965167 Nov 27 at 21:00
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    After some experience in this site, i think the best is to request some users to always downvote my answer (irrespective of the answer), who will anyways abuse their position and do not have the intellectual capability required for a dialectical discourse. I am not interested in this game of collecting points. – user965167 Nov 27 at 21:09
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    Well, both of us know you wrote the same answer again. You need not to hide it. Talking about Rama and Krishna in this answer is purely irrelevant. Blaming the priestly class is rude. You could have just limited the answer to menstruation part. – Sarvabhouma Nov 28 at 3:05
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    To the moderators: Your editing is not acceptable. It has your personal bias in place. – user965167 Nov 30 at 7:38

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