There was an episode where SatyakAma Jabala of unknown lineage was accepted as a disciple. Similarly, the recent, there happened another incident where King Prasenadi from the lineage of shAkhya was convinced by revered Gautam Buddha to accept his son as shAkhya only when the later was found to be conceived by a woman of 4th class unknowingly. These two episodes are dealt with in this article names The Buddha was every inch a Hindu

He predicted the coming of a future awakened leader like himself, the Maitreya (“the one practicing friendship/charity”), and specified that he would be born in a Brahmin family. When King Prasenadi discovered that his wife was not a Shakya princess but the daughter of the Shakya ruler by a maid-servant, he repudiated her and their son; but his friend the Buddha made him take them back.

Did he achieve this by saying that birth is unimportant, that “caste is bad” or that “caste doesn’t matter”, as the Ambedkarites claim? No, he reminded the king of the old view (then apparently in the process of being replaced with a stricter view) that caste was passed on exclusively in the paternal line. Among hybrids of horses and donkeys, the progeny of a horse stallion and a donkey mare whinnies, like its father, while the progeny of a donkey stallion and a horse mare brays, also like its father. So, in the oldest Upanishad, Satyakama Jabala is accepted by his Brahmin-only teacher because his father is deduced to be a Brahmin, regardless of his mother being a maid-servant. And similarly, King Prasenadi should accept his son as a Kshatriya, even though his mother was not a full-blooded Shakya Kshatriya.

So what this article is saying is progeny invariably derive its gotra from its father lineage irrespective of the fact varNaSaMkara happened or not which was supported by Buddha.

Is this claim supported or deduced by scriptures? This question indirectly asking - what gotra to assign to the progeny born out of intermixing of classes?


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In Gita,Arjuna says to Sri Krishna :

(1.38 1.39) O Janardana, although these people, whose hearts have become perverted by greed, do not see the evil arising from destroying the family and sin in hostility towards, friends, yet how can we who clearly see the evil arising from destroying the family remain unaware of (the need of) abstaining from this sin?

(1.40) From the ruin of the family are totally destroyed the traditional rites and duties of the family. When rites and duties are destroyed, vice overpowers the entire family also.

(1.41) O Krsna, when vice predominates, the women of the family become corrupt. O descendent of the Vrsnis, when women become corrupted, it results in the intermingling of castes. (1.42) And the intermingling in the family leads the ruiners of the family verily into hell. The forefathers of these fall down (into hell) because of being deprived of the offerings of rice-balls and water.

Bhagavan Sri Krishna does not say anything against this, which means He is of the same opinion (maunam sammatilakshanam).

He also Himself says that Varna-shakaras destoy the world:

•3.24 These worlds will be ruined if I do not perform action. And I shall become the agent of intermingling of castes, and shall be destroying these beings.

I think it means that the Varnasankaras are fallen and has no gotra. Otherwise, they would not have been deprived of the dharmik duties like pindadaana.

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    Silence doesn't always imply acceptance Sir... Feb 5, 2019 at 12:22
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    Krishna do implies in BG 2.1-5 - "O Parth, it does not befit you to yield to this unmanliness. Give up such petty weakness of heart and arise, O vanquisher of enemies." ... I think Krishna meant Arjuna was involved in overthinking & was giving flabbergasted slippery slopping arguments. Neverthless, varNaShaMkar is devastating but I am not sure how it affects bloodline. Blood should remain same. Feb 5, 2019 at 13:11
  • @Mr.Sigma., what do you mean by 'Blood should remain same'?
    – ram
    Feb 6, 2019 at 4:55
  • @ram progeny although mixed will have blood of his father. Feb 6, 2019 at 4:57
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    @ram what reference? You are bringing hypothesis Oct 5, 2019 at 1:13

Yes, a child invariably derives Gotra from its father irrespective of it being product of varNa-saMkara. From Manu SmRitI 10.64,

śūdrāyāṃ brāhmaṇāj jātaḥ śreyasā cet prajāyate |
aśreyān śreyasīṃ jātiṃ gacchatyā saptamād yugāt || 64 ||

If the child born from a Śūdra woman to a Brāhmaṇa goes on being wedded to a superior person,—the inferior attains the superior caste, within the seventh generation.—(64)

What it tells is that the taint of varNa-saMkara withers away & the progenies of 6th generation (or before) from progeny out of varNa-saMkara eventually brings about unconfused progeny belonging to one of the pure 4 varNa if the children born out varNa-saMkara are wedded to one of the caste while ensuring to not let varNa-Samkara happen again in successive generation. Such generation also obtains all the rights of its varNa.

Therefore, the possibility of 6th (or lessth) generation from a confused forefather (from 6th or less generation back) becoming full-fledged unconfused generation belonging to one of 4 varNa implies that their forefather had derived Gotra despite being progeny of varNa-Shamkara.

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