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Are all mythologies real or are they stories or symbolic things meant to teach us something higher?

I know that we (individuals) too are not so real as far as Vedanta is concerned. All is one. But like Rama and Krishna, did the Puranic stories really happen?

Is there an Indra up there? May be he was needed to explain some concept of meta physics?

E.g., Akashat vayuhu...Vayur agni... have profound meta-physical meanings.

Probably, the Puranas were meant to store the highest knowledge in a way that even after 100,000 years, if a person questions "Who am I?", he could get its symbolic answers in Shastras.

Does Shiva really exist in the Himalayas or is he in you and me as Shivoham or both, depending on faith?

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    According to advaita, theories of creation, stories are just used to teach the unity of the Atman. These stories are allegorical. – Lazy Lubber Feb 14 at 11:19
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    Why is this question marked as "unclear"? Clearly he is asking if the stories are merely allegorical or whether they are actually historical. – Ikshvaku Feb 14 at 12:50
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    @LazyLubber Can you support this argument with some references? – Gabe Hiemstra Feb 14 at 13:39
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    @LazyLubber Ramanujacharya in some work, I think the Vedartha Sangraha or the Sri Bhashya, says that Puranic stories can only have any useful purpose or meaning if they actually happened, because if they didn't happen, then there is no precedent or force for any of the practices or meaning. – Ikshvaku Feb 15 at 18:05
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    @LazyLubber A historical event can be both real and allegorical. – Ikshvaku Feb 15 at 18:06
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The truth or otherwise of Hinduism can be examined at three levels

(1) Literal truth

(2) Mythic truth

(3) The Numinous truth

(1) Some Hindus claim everything in scripture is literally true. In particular they claim the weapons and technologies described in the Itihasas were literally present and used the way it is described. This would be very difficult to reconcile with actual recorded history (India's vulnerability to foreign invasions that could have been stopped if Hindus had flying machines and celestial weapons that were invoked only with the power of the mind)

Similarly they claim all the Gods exist literally and all their histories recorded in scripture including sthala Puranas really happened. This once again boils down to faith - it cannot stand the test of science both for the lack of evidence and the fact that the same event is described differently in different scriptures ("Kalpa Bheda" introduces another unverifiable reality).

If the claim that Brahmastra is real is borne out, that would be a literal truth of Hinduism:

https://www.booksfact.com/mantra-sastra/brahmastra-nuclear-weapon-energized-gayatri-mantra.html

Brahmastra is released by Gayatri Mantra but in a different way. Any weapon or even a grass straw can be energized by concentrating and spelling Gayatri Mantra in exact reverse sequence of its syllables. This method of chanting a mantra is known as viloma (normal way is anuloma). Combined effect of anuloma-viloma chanting multiplies the power of that mantra and sadhaka attains siddhi quicker than normal.

(2) Mythic truth

This is each person's truth, as Devdutt Pattanaik says. Popular images, like Hanuman splitting his chest open to reveal Rama and Sita evoke powerful responses in Hindus, believers or not. Enactments of myths like Ram Lila or Shura-samhara act as a deep bond bringing Hindus together evoking shared images in their hearts and minds. The scientific test of truth does not apply to mythic truth. The ecstasy of Bhakti to your favorite deity falls under this truth.

Here is Pattanaik himself on Mythic truth:

http://devdutt.com/articles/myth-theory/a-mythic-inheritance.html

For a mythologist, like me, all beliefs are mythological as they are indifferent to rational thought. Hence they make room for fantastic ideas like the ocean of milk, flying horses, and virgin births. Mythology must be distinguished from myth. Myth is subjective truth that defines a culture. Mythology is the body of stories, symbols and rituals that communicates that subjective truth. Different cultures have different subjective truths, hence different beliefs, different myths. For example, Christianity and Islam believe in one life followed by an eternity in Heaven or Hell. Hindus and Jains and Sikhs and Buddhists believe in rebirth, one life followed by another, until one breaks free from the wheel of birth and death. Who is right? Believers think they are right; outsiders do not agree. To each his own. Unlike science, where the pursuit is for universal, de-contextual, objective knowledge that everyone has to agree with. Unless one appreciates what myth is, one will always be trapped in arguments on what is true and what is not, a path that ultimately leads to fundamentalist madness and even, unfortunately, violence.

(3) The Numinous truth

This cannot be put into words and can only be experienced. Whoever was fortunate enough to be around Ramakrishna Paramahamsa or Ramana Maharishi, for example, would have felt the power of their realization directly. The numinous is ultimately the basis of all the other truths - but they act as pointers to the numinous and therefore they are all true in that sense.

The Numinous can stand the test of science - but those who don't feel it can dismiss it as confirmation bias - "the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories."

For example, Vivekananda experienced the transcendental with Ramakrishna, but also initially tried to rationalize it:

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Relationship_between_Ramakrishna_and_Swami_Vivekananda

The first meeting with Ramakrishna so much puzzled the young mind for Narendra that he was feeling anxious to meet Ramakrishna again. He finally went to meet him for the second time on a weekday.[13] During the second meeting, he had another strange experience. When he was talking to Ramakrishna, Ramakrishna suddenly placed his right foot on Narendra's chest and Narendra started feeling unconscious, he felt as if everything around him, the rooms, the walls, the temple garden were vanishing away. Narendra got scared and cried out "What are you doing to me? I have my parents, brothers, and sisters at home." Ramakrishna laughed and moved his foot from his body. He restored his consciousness and said "All right, everything will happen in due time."[24]

Narendra became even more puzzled and felt that Ramakrishna had hypnotized him.

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    Devdutt Pattnaik can not be an authority here.But i am not downvoting.Omkarnathji mentioned : Laukiki bhasha, Kavya bhasha and samadhi bhasha.Almost same are the concepts. – commonman Feb 15 at 14:36
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    Feel free to write your own answer - lets make hay while the sun shines. It is astounding that this question is still there - instead of debating what Arjuna's shankh was called, we can debate weighty issues @Partha – S K Feb 15 at 14:43
  • Thanks.The spirit of your answet is absolutely correct to me.So its a very great answer.No need of a separate one:D – commonman Feb 15 at 14:46
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It is difficult to say if Hindu mythology has any history or how much is history and how much allegory. It is definite that there is a lot of allegorical component in Hindu mythology.

Brahma tells Narada "This brief account of the manifestation of the Lord is what is called the Bhagavata. The Supreme Being Himself gave the knowledge of it to me. I have also given to you a brief account of the Lord's glories and attributes. You elucidate it with the help of your imaginative power in a way that will generate devotion in the mind of men for Sri Hari who is the soul and support of all."

Srimad Bhagavata Purana II.8.51-52

The Supreme Lord is said to be fond of such figurative expositions of spiritual truth through stories. (For it is understandable even to common men while an abstract philosophical statement can be understood only by a very few.

Srimad Bhagavata Purana IV.28.65

In times past I learnt this wonderful allegory, which teaches the truth of the Atman indirectly in a story form.

Srimad Bhagavata Purana IV.29.85

I am adding this part after reading the clariification in the comment.

Archaeology suggests that there is some historical truth in the Mahabharata. Modern scholars find less certain evidence for Ramayana compared to Mahabharata. None of the major Ramayana sites have been clearly identified. That is not the case with the Mahabharata.

The Mahabharata is much more real than the Ramayana. And, therefore, much more fascinating. Every conceivable human emotion figures in it, which is the reason why it is possible to identify with it even today. The text itself states that what is not found in the Mahabharata, will not be found anywhere else. Unlike the Ramayana, India is littered with real places that have identifications with the Mahabharata.(Ayodhya or Lanka or Chitrakuta are identifications that are less certain.) Kurukshetra, Hastinapura, Indraprastha, Karnal, Mathura, Dvaraka, Gurgaon, Girivraja are real places: the list is endless. In all kinds of unlikely places, one comes across temples erected by the Pandavas when they were exiled to the forest. In some of these places, archaeological excavations have substantiated the stories.

The Mahabharata critical edition Introduction by Bibek DebRoy

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    A historical event can be both real and allegorical. – Ikshvaku Feb 15 at 18:06
  • To say that there are allegories in scripture Is not an answer @Pradip Gangopadhyay . The question asks is what is narrated as history in scripture is only an allegory. for example - one could say that the Mahabharata is about an inner psychological struggle and none of it really took place in the real world. In “The Riks or Primeval Gleams of Light and Life” . Bangalore, Mysore Government Press, 1911.” T Paramasiva Iyer thinks the Rig Vedic Vishnu actually stands for basaltic lava. – S K Feb 15 at 18:20
  • Are they as real (or unreal) as you and me is what is the question. – Sai Baikampadi Feb 20 at 9:45

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