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I know Atman is self aware but I don't know why that Atman lost his self awareness that he is unlimited and beginningless and instead acquiring limited body awareness


Even though I am a Muslim ,Charles Darwin changes me into atheist hence my question ,I really like Hindu and how they allow you to ask difficult questions ,even in Buddhism they don't allow u to ask difficult questions because they think those r unimportant

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    I will be brutally honest. Why and how - these questions have no answer, except that it is somehow due to beginningless avidya/ignorance. When - it is beginningless. There is an analogy that I want to mention here - this analogy is also there in buddhism - if someone is struck by a poisoned arrow, is it more important to treat him first or is it more important to try to find out the name and age of the person who shot the arrow? – I will close your question Nov 18 at 14:02
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    Its answer u get in enlightenment. Not from scriptures. It won't satisfy you. In reality you're not in the body but rather body is in your awareness. – Parabrahman Jyoti Nov 18 at 14:37
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    I think we have to live with the fact that some questions have no answers - what was there before big bang? why is there something rather than nothing? – I will close your question Nov 18 at 15:18
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    Ignorance itself is mithyA (neither real nor unreal nor both nor neither). You can call it mAyA if you are more comfortable with the word. – I will close your question Nov 18 at 15:20
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    Just like a helpless child is born from a mother, so does an Atman(Soul) is born from infinite Paramatma(Supersoul). A child doesnot know how to speak, write or walk, it needs to be trained by its mother and in school for several years, similarly earths are created by Supersoul to train infinite souls in righteousness Dharma through cyclic births and deaths. hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/36045/16530 – Manu Kumar Nov 18 at 15:47
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I know Atman is self aware but I don't know why that Atman lost his self awareness that he is unlimited and beginningless and instead acquiring limited body awareness

I take it you're asking why the Jivatma first entered a body? If so, the answer is that there was never a first time; the Jivatma has eternally been in samsara.

From the Brahma Sutras:

The fact of the souls being without a beginning is observed, viz., to be stated in Scripture,'The intelligent one is not born and dies not' (Ka. Up. I, 2, 18); so also the fact of the flow of creation going on from all eternity, 'As the creator formed sun and moon formerly.' Moreover, the text, 'Now all this was then undeveloped. It became developed by form and name' (Bri. Up. I, 4, 7), states merely that the names and forms of the souls were developed, and this shows that the souls themselves existed from the beginning. Smriti also says, 'Dost thou know both Prakriti and the soul to be without beginning?' (Bha. Gî. XIII, 19.)

  • Thanks but i mean why didn't atma realize that he is atma instead he believes he is the body. ,this may happen to animals too may not this ? – user646989 Nov 18 at 14:38
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    @user646989u r literally asking what made Atma to take first birth? – Parabrahman Jyoti Nov 18 at 14:40
  • No sir ,creation is beginningless so there is no first creation ,we need to make that clear ,my question is why atma though that he is the creation (body) while in fact he is not – user646989 Nov 18 at 14:45
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    @user646989 The answer is similar; the Jivatma has eternally been in Avidya (ignorace), and has thought that he is the body and not the Jivatma. When he attains self-realization, then he is liberated. – Ikshvaku Nov 18 at 15:26
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    @user646989 Yes exactly, avidya is beginningless. – Ikshvaku Nov 18 at 15:29
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The following is an excerpt from the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi.

D.: How shall I reach the Self?

M.: There is no reaching the Self. If the Self were to be reached, it would mean that the Self is not now and here, but that it should be got anew. What is got afresh, will also be lost. So it will be impermanent. What is not permanent is not worth striving for. So I say, the Self is not reached. You are the Self. You are already That.

The fact is that you are ignorant of your blissful state. Ignorance supervenes and draws a veil over the pure Bliss. Attempts are directed only to remove this ignorance. This ignorance consists in wrong knowledge. The wrong knowledge consists in the false identification of the Self with the body, the mind, etc. This false identity must go and there remains the Self.

A woman, with her necklace round her neck, imagines that it has been lost and goes about searching for it, until she is reminded of it by a friend; she has created her own sense of loss, her own anxiety of search and then her own pleasure of recovery.

Similarly the Self is all along there, whether you search for it or not. Again just as the woman feels as if the lost necklace has been regained, so also the removal of ignorance and the cessation of false identification reveal the Self which is always present - here and now.

This is called realisation. It is not new. It amounts to elimination of ignorance and nothing more.

  • Thanks I have upvoted u , but how did that atma falsely identify with the body ? Atma is always pure so it must be "something" that force him to lose his self conciousness/awareness ,the question is can atma be affected by that "something" ? – user646989 Nov 18 at 16:29
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    @user646989:Atma or Self does not identify falsely with anything. It is our false identification with the body, that led to rise of EGO "I", which itself an ignorance. That is what Sri Maharshi was saying. – srimannarayana k v Nov 18 at 16:31
  • Who is "our" here ? – user646989 Nov 18 at 16:36
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    @user646989: You can go through this answer. Rig Veda, which emphasises on worshiping formless God, indicates that Other than SELF (God), there is another thing in everyone. That 2nd one - some call it Jiva, perhaps , identifies itself with body, instead of SELF. – srimannarayana k v Nov 18 at 16:41
  • Can u add source that Veda believes in jivatma ? But what about adi sankara's advaita ? , without adi sankara you will be Buddhist now can you add source that Veda believes in reincarnation ? – user646989 Nov 18 at 17:03

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