If God is fair and square, why are we baddhatmas(Those jivas that are temporarily bound by karma), while some atmas get to become nityasuris(These are the members of the Divine Ministering Assembly ).

What did I do to first get stuck in samsara and suffer?

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    The concept of baddhatmas and nityasuris has no basis. Only Sri Vaishnavaites propagate this theory. According to sages, everyone will get chance to move up in SPIRITUALITY and get liberated. Pray to God and if possible, please approach a REAL guru for further guidance. If you are unable to decide, who the REAL guru is, pray to God at your home sincerely and God will show you the way. Sep 16, 2020 at 14:32
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    @SrimannarayanaKV "The concept of baddhatmas and nityasuris has no basis." - It does have a basis, a Jiva that is trapped in samsara is called a baddhatma, a soul that is liberated is called a muktatma, and a soul that is eternally liberated is called a nityasuri. Hence, if you believe in moksha, which is admitted by all scriptures, then you believe in baddhatmas and muktatmas.
    – Ikshvaku
    Sep 16, 2020 at 14:45
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    @SrimannarayanaKV Do you believe in moksha and samsara, which is admitted by all scriptures? If so, then you believe in baddhatmas and muktatmas.
    – Ikshvaku
    Sep 16, 2020 at 14:49
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    I think the question itself is wrong, no one becomes nitya suri, so they are nitya suris. That is those are the positions not taken by any jivas, I hope you are a visishtadvaita follower. Lakshmi is a nitya suri according to sri vaishnavas , she is also a jivatma( acc to some sri vaishnavas) but she is eternal (so are all jivas) as paramatma. Narayana do not chose them, they are also verily Narayana but subservient to him. Comparing baddhatmas and nitya suris itself is wrong as it is like comparing jivas and paramatma ( though both are same yet different at the same time acc to VA).
    – Satya
    Sep 16, 2020 at 17:28
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    //The concept of baddhatmas and nityasuris has no basis. Only Sri Vaishnavaites propagate this theory.// If you adhere to different theology then better stop commenting on other theologies and beliefs. You seems to attack vaishnavas and their beliefs in general in a subtle manner, if you don't like them then ignore them instead of making bitter comments. If I am correct you adhere to Ramakrishna paramahamsa and of course pro-shakta leanings, kindly refrain from attack/hurting others believes in a public forum, better create a blog for yourself and share your knownledge. @Srimannnarayana K V.
    – Satya
    Sep 16, 2020 at 18:17

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The answer to the first question is given in the Gita. God is looking for devotion.

I am the same towards all beings. None is hateful, and none, dear to Me. But those who worship Me with devotion dwell in Me, and I too dwell in them.

Gita 9.29

It would take a sage to answer the second question.

  • if you follow some philosophy which is hypocritical in itself than it requires pseudo sages to give an acceptable answer which may not be acceptable at all.. Every jivaatma has Jivaswarroop and swabha accompained..the body of jiva is made in the ratio of light =x, (space and vayu) = y and (water and earth) =z in 8 parts for example for devas sushma deha is composed of 4/8x, 3/8y and 1/8z for gandharvas 3/8x,2/8y and 2/8z for humans 1/8x, 3/8y and 4/8z since Jiva existed before creation along with all the material universe in sushma form. based on the this ratio
    – Prasanna R
    Sep 16, 2020 at 12:29
  • godly being are created by their own nature according to jiva swabhava
    – Prasanna R
    Sep 16, 2020 at 12:30
  • Best analogy is Gardener sowing different seeds in his field for growing different variety of plants, trees and other creeper.. it depends on the seed not the gardener why one is mongo tree why other is cocunut means it depends the seeed he planted not himself he watered the same amount of water to all the seed but based on nature of seed trees grow
    – Prasanna R
    Sep 16, 2020 at 12:40
  • @PrasannaR plz write an answer with references.
    – user17987
    Sep 16, 2020 at 12:44
  • @idolworshipper im not an expert in scriptures whatever i have given here is what Great scholar like Bannaje Govindacharya told while giving details about srimad bhagavatam.. but i know this is true...that is why shared but for answers all the reference are needed which i dont have..
    – Prasanna R
    Sep 16, 2020 at 12:52

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