As from a fire kindled with wet faggot diverse kinds of smoke issue, even so, my dear, the Rg-Veda, Yajur-Veda, Sama-Veda, Atharvahgirasa, history, mythology, arts, Upanishads, verses, aphorisms, elucidations and explanations are (like) the breath of this infinite Reality. They are like the breath of this (Supreme Self).[brihadaranyaka upanishad 2.4.10]

So as the verse says, "the breath of this infinite Reality" means all four vedas, upanishad, history, mythology, are from the breath of God.
They must have come after the God.

Eternal : without beginning or end

So the question comes if the Vedas have beginning they be must have an end; so how can the Vedas be eternal.

I think this supports Nyaya and Samkhya's interpretation, of non eternal vedas.

  • hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/43961/11726 - Vedic sentences are not eternal, that would be absurd because they have perspective bias: they mention historical events, locations only in India, talking about Indian things, conversations between two people, etc.
    – Ikshvaku
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 18:41
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    At the end of a kalpa they are withdrawn into God as is everything, and at the start of the next kalpa they are brought forth again. They are in an unmanifested state when withdrawn into God - Brahman - and manifested again with the next kalpa. See Brahma Sutras 1.3.28-30. and Gita 8.17-18. Commented Mar 25, 2021 at 5:10
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    Sir, Please see jaimini sutra bhasya. There is a long discussion on why vedas are authorless and eternal refuting various arguments of nyaya and samkhya philosophies.
    Commented Mar 25, 2021 at 11:37
  • @GIRIBLR sir can you quoted verse. From it. BTW it is not about a school of thought but it is about the controdiction between eternality of vedas and upanishades verse Commented Mar 25, 2021 at 16:02

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Is the eternality of the Vedas controdict brihadaranyaka upanishad 2.4.10?

It's contradicted by many things:

  1. Mention of historical events, like the battle of ten kings. The Vedas are temporal, meaning they were written in an ancient setting before modern technology, so they mention very "primitive" things like making fire with sticks, chariots, etc. So this shows their temporality.

  2. Conversations between people. "Shvetaketu said this", "Yajnavalkya said that", etc. Since you have people authoring statements in conversations, the Vedic statements are not authorless.

  3. Mention of only Indian geography (rivers like Yamuna, Ganga, Saraswati, etc), and desires of Rishis from their perspective. Vedas are conveyed from the perspective of the Rishis, and they talk about their desires, fantasies with women, struggles, spiritual aspirations, their location, etc. You would expect an eternal text to not be so localized to north Indian geography.

  4. The Rishis themselves say that they have composed the mantras.

Then what is the validity of the Vedas? The Vedas are valid because they were authored by the omniscient Brahman through the medium of the Rishis based on their spiritual experiences. This is admitted by the Rishis themselves in the Vedas:

He (Brahman) chooses the makers of mantras.

Note that this is not my personal interpretation. Other astika schools like Gautama's nyaya, Yaska's nirukta, etc. believe that the Vedas were authored by Brahman or rishis. Vedanta is the most popular and dominant astika school of Hinduism today, and it believes in eternality of Vedic sentences. That is why people automatically think that all Hindus believe the Vedas are unauthored, because Hinduism = Vedanta.

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    – TheLittleNaruto
    Commented Mar 25, 2021 at 6:06
  • Vedas as accepted by vedantic religion are authorless since god have no father and mother but still he is called devaki nanda' kausalya thanaya and all similarly the sheets who intuitively gets this mantra in their deep meditation are called mantra drshta
    – Prasanna R
    Commented Mar 25, 2021 at 8:55
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    Then please add your point or views are from the specific school perspective not from srivaishnav perspective because I thought this seems to be contradictory to your acharya also
    – Prasanna R
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 12:00
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    historical linguistics proves beyond any doubt that Vedas and all Hindu scripture were composed by humans whose language changed over time - as happens with all languages. It might still have been inspired by God - but universally observed historical language changes are clearly visible in the scripture @ikshvaku
    – S K
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 13:02
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    Tamil, Urdu,French to name jut three languages are infinitely sweeter than Sanskrit @ikshvaku
    – S K
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 15:40

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