Not a duplicate of What is Hinduism's view on abortion?, because it is on abortion in general.

In the linked question a lot of the answers saying abortion is immoral/sinful simply do not make sense to be immoral/sinful for someone outside the Chatur Varna e.g. an outcast can't become an outcast again, "those born in consequence of an illegal mixture of the castes," don't get the libations of water anyway, someone outside the Chatur Varna cannot lose caste, etc. Others have to be in brief otherwise they would lead to nonsense conclusions like Rama went to Hell for hunting deer.

Ironically the scripture that seems to be the harshest critic of abortion has the most glaring issue with abortion being sinful outside the Chatur Varna. The Parashara Smriti says this which seems to be straightforward anti-abortion:

What sin is incurred in killing a Brahman, abortion causes a sin twice as great ; there is no atonement for that sin. The abandonment of such a woman has been ordained by law.

The Parashara Smriti says a similar thing for cows that killing a fully formed cow fetus twice as bad as killing a cow. This shows the Parashara Smriti really considers killing a fully formed fetus twice as bad as killing the born version of that thing. That has to leave out people outside the Chatur Varna, because there is no sin mentioned in Hinduism for killing someone outside the Chatur Varna (anymore than the life you kill on a daily basis). That's honestly for the best, because of cancer.

If all the members of the foetus are complete, or if it be observed to have consciousness, or fully developed in its limbs, large and small — then the sinner must perform twice the penance for killing a cow.

Does anyone have a scripture saying against abortion of a child outside the Chatur Varna, that is clearly not in brief due to nonsense conclusions?

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vp/vp064.htm https://archive.org/stream/ParasharaSmriti/SriParasharaSmrithiPdf_djvu.txt

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    Duplicate. as answered in a previous question with upanishad reference, scripture says a jiva enters the womb at conception. Its not a question of the development of the outer sheath, the annamaya kosha. Nov 18, 2021 at 6:12
  • @SwamiVishwananda Did you not see my point about killing someone outside the Chatur Varna not being declared sinful (more than the life you kill on a daily basis) or did you choose to ignore it? Nov 18, 2021 at 17:28
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    > there is no sin mentioned in Hinduism for killing someone outside the Chatur Varna - are you joking ? murder is a sin. The punishments vary though.
    – ram
    Dec 16, 2021 at 23:54
  • @mar Where does scripture say that (except for a general statement of not harming all beings)? The Manu Smriti specifies sin for killing all the Chaturvarna, but nothing for Dasyus. Dec 17, 2021 at 10:15
  • @mar Many people translate Dasyu outside the Manu Smriti to mean thieves, which avoids their killing extending to nonaggressors. However, that does not work with the Manu Smriti. Dec 17, 2021 at 10:17

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No, if you believe the context of the Manu Smriti. The Manu Smriti says that Dasyu means anyone outside the Chaturvarna.

मुखबाहूरुपद्जानां या लोके जातयो बहिः । म्लेच्छवाचश्चार्यवाचः सर्वे ते दस्यवः स्मृताः ॥ ४५ ॥

mukhabāhūrupadjānāṃ yā loke jātayo bahiḥ | mleccavācaścāryavācaḥ sarve te dasyavaḥ smṛtāḥ || 45 ||

All those races of the world which are outside the pale of the people ‘born of the mouth, the arms, the thighs and the feet,’—speaking the ‘barbaric’ or the ‘refined’ language—are called ‘Dasyu.’—(45)

References to exterminating the Dasyus appear in a few places, one of the most obvious is here.

Like Pedu's horse who killed the brood of serpents, thus thou, O Soma, slayest every Dasyu.

Since the Vedas are asking for it, it seems not to be sinful to kill a Dasyu, according to the Manu Smriti. Thus the sin for aborting one, which is twice that of killing a grown one, as discussed in the question, is also negligible. Thus, it is not sinful to abort someone outside the Chaturvarna. Probably for the best with all the technical murdering of the failed embryos in childbirth, cancers, non-organ donating (because they are technically still controlled by their original soul, even if severely disabled (don't worry, I doubt they can feel strong boredom without a brain)), etc. everyone does without feeling guilty.

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