I myself answered a question on the so-called "Shabar Mantras" [here][1]. [This][2] webpage claims that these mantras are auto energized or Siddha so to speak. > A shabar mantra is quite different from a classical or Vedic mantra. > One needs to attain siddhi to use a Vedic mantra but it is nothing > like this in case of a shabar mantra. **Shabar mantras as auto-energized** > and can be used even by a common man easily to bring his wishes true. Is that true? Also does that imply that for these mantras upadesha from Guru(initiation) is not needed? [1]: http://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/16673/what-are-the-shabar-mantras [2]: http://www.shabarmantraonline.com/